This is the 10% happier podcast. I'm Dan Harris.

Hey gang, okay, so this episode is a little bit of an experiment.

Normally Lewis House would not be the type of person I would be drawn to.

He's six foot four, extremely good looking, a former pro football player and an all-American

in not one, but two sports as somebody who is five foot seven or as I sometimes joke,

five, eight when I'm using my wife's volumizing shampoo and also as somebody who rode the

bench in pretty much every sport I've ever played. It is hard for me not to be just a

little bit resentful of Lewis. Complicating matters even further. Lewis sometimes approaches

the subject matters we discuss here on this show, human psychology, the meaning of life,

the training of the brain and the mind, et cetera, in a style that is truly quite different

from my own. And yet, despite all that, I really like this guy. And it's hard not to,

I think you're going to find the same thing. He's extremely open, as you will hear, about

his personal struggles from childhood trauma to his present day romantic challenges from family

drama to failure and self-doubt. Lewis is just a guy who's trying to figure it all out. He's a

voracious learner, relentless in his pursuit of his interests. And he will bust his ass to get to

the bottom of things in his own life. As the kids say today, he is doing the work. His main area of

interest is what he calls greatness. He hosts a podcast, a very popular podcast called The

School of Greatness. And he has spent many, many years interviewing people who have excelled

in all sorts of areas. So he's become a true student. Lewis now has a new book called The Greatness

Mindset in which he shares what he has learned via all of these interviews and via his own personal

work. In this conversation, we talked about the source of his interest in greatness, the difference

between a powerless mindset and a greatness mindset, the pernicious impact of self-doubt,

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