This is the John Fugel-Sang Podcast.

So here's the big flower introduction and it's always daunting to introduce you because you know how it is for someone in my position

Like where do I start like like how many credits do I slip into this thing like I mean there's so many films is a lot yeah I mean there's birdy and there's shortcuts I always include shortcuts and then you know and the band played on and there's vision quest and of course Dark Night Rises.

Yeah, full metal jacket, I think that's the name of the film.

There's that one.

You know, there's Cutthroat Island, there's the work on stage, there's your work as a director,

there's your work as a fearlessly political artist who cares about the community that produced him and then of course the millions of new fans you have generated as a Dr Brenner on Netflix's stranger things the only flesh and bone

villain on the show who died or was he or did he that's the story that's the question

yeah what a pleasure to welcome back actor and director and New York City cyclist and a hero of my union Matthew Modine.

Thank you very much. It's so nice to be here, John. It's so good to see you again.

Yeah, I'm so happy that you are doing this tour because the character is not dead.

I know that for years there was some kind of question of was he dead or was he not but I guess we've learned from this show if you don't see the body

The character is not gone. Yeah, that's what the the duffer brother said the question that people are asking now is how did he survive the

demagorgon how did he survive Vekna you know when he went and killed all the kids

and in the scene with Millie Bobby Brown when she uses she tries to use her power against him

He simply says you didn't think it was going to be that easy did you? And so who is this guy what what's happening? What's going on there?

Well, and we're not giving anything away.

No, that's all that all happened in the...

Well, if they haven't seen the first half of volume one or volume one of season four well

here's what got me because you're one of the reasons I don't give up on

Twitter and I was I was reading your Twitter like a week ago two weeks ago and you printed this

One of the elders of the city said speak to us of good and evil and he answered of the good in you I can speak but not of the evil for what is evil but good tortured by its own hunger and thirst

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