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Well college. I loved going to college. It's good you can retry. I'm enrolled on the day course. But college?

I loved going to college.

It's good you can retrain and do something.

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For a long time I didn't really think much about England.

I'm really very English grew up here except for six months of the student lived here all my life. And then came Brexit and all of us who followed it have been forced to think about what makes England,

England, why a majority of English and Welsh people didn't want to be part of the EU any longer,

whether we should have thought a bit more about what Englishness is.

And joining me today are two people who have spent a lot of time thinking about it recently,

Tom Baldwin and Mark Steers, the who have spent a lot of time thinking about it recently.

Tom Baldwin and Mark Steers, the authors of a new book about England.

Tom's also the author of a biography of Kiea Starma,

and you may have heard me talking to him on the bunker recently about that.

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