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The Unspeakeasy With Meghan Daum

What Is Anorexia Really About? Hadley Freeman on Good Girls and the competition to be the "Illest."

The Unspeakeasy With Meghan Daum

Meghan Daum

Society & Culture

4.7855 Ratings

🗓️ 1 May 2023

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

We sometimes think of anorexia as an "old school" disease, now eclipsed by disorders such as cutting and similar forms of self-harm. But as journalist Hadley Freeman reports in her new book, the illness has been around for centuries and is still very much with us. In Good Girls: A Story and Study of Anorexia, Hadley tells the story of her battle with severe anorexia as a teenager and also investigates the causes, treatments, social factors, and lasting effects of the disease. In this conversation, Hadley explains how even though there's been a greater focus on self-harm practices such as cutting in recent years, anorexia rose sharply during and after the pandemic and has never been more relevant. She describes how at age 14 she suddenly stopped eating and, within months, lost a third of her body weight and landed in a hospital. It would take three years and nine hospitalizations before she began to get well. It's often said that anorexia isn't about being thin as much as it is about retaining control, but Hadley describes her own compulsion as a competitive desire to look ill, with the ultimate success being death itself. Other subjects covered include the connection between anorexia and gender dysphoria, including Meghan's theory that social media star Dylan Mulvaney is less a gender influencer than an anorexia exhibitionist. 

 

If that's not unspeakable enough, Hadley stays overtime to talk about Meghan's favorite third rail, Woody Allen, whom she's interviewed and written about. They also discuss a recent interview Hadley conducted with author Judy Blume, whose expression of support for JK Rowling got her in trouble on Twitter. To hear that portion, become a paying subscriber at https://meghandaum.substack.com/.

 

 

Guest Bio:

Hadley Freeman grew up in New York and London. She is a staff writer for The Sunday Times and previously spent 22 years at The Guardian. Her last book, House of Glass, was an international bestseller. Her new book is Good Girls: A Story and Study of Anorexia.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to the unspeakable podcast. I'm your host, Megan Down. Before I introduce my guest,

0:08.8

Hadley Freeman, a few quick items of business. I'll try to make them quick. The first is that my

0:14.5

other podcast, a special place in hell, which I do with Sarah Hater, has in the last few weeks

0:20.8

come back from hiatus.

0:22.6

You can find us everywhere you found us before.

0:25.3

In other words, wherever you get your podcast.

0:27.3

But we are now also recording on video.

0:30.5

And in fact, we have a YouTube channel, which is called A Special Place in Hell.

0:34.9

This changes nothing about the podcast itself.

0:37.4

And I suspect most people

0:38.6

will continue to listen to it the old way, but since apparently no one under the age of 30

0:44.7

consumes anything that is not on YouTube or TikTok, we are on YouTube. We're not an interview show,

0:52.0

as you know, but we're going to be doing more interviews,

0:54.8

maybe one a month or so. And we've had some pretty spicy ones lately. And we always do bonus

1:00.3

content every week for paying subscribers. So if you want to get in on that, go to our substack,

1:06.8

a special place.substack.com or the YouTube channel or just your regular podcast app or just type

1:13.8

our names into Google and you'll probably find it. Okay. The second thing and I'll make this quick

1:20.4

is that the next unspeak easy retreat is next week. It's May 8th through 11th in Minneapolis.

1:26.7

The overnight spots are full, but we are offering a daytime-only option on May 9th and 10th, since the venue is only about 20 minutes from downtown Minneapolis. And even though we're really down to the wire, I was debating if I should even mention this, if you are interested, you can go to the unspeakeasy.com and inquire.

1:46.0

We might be able to squeeze a few more people in. Otherwise, we have a retreat coming up in Austin,

1:51.4

Texas, June 24th and 25th. That is a weekend, daytime only retreat, and a super fancy posh overnight

1:59.6

retreat in the Poconos in Pennsylvania next fall, October 23rd through 26th.

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