"What IS a Zionist?" with Charlotte Korchak
Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps
Josh Szeps
4.5 • 905 Ratings
🗓️ 15 September 2025
⏱️ 62 minutes
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Summary
What does "Zionism" mean after the destruction of Gaza? As Josh wrestles with this question himself, Charlotte Korchak is his Zionist guide today. She's a young, vibrant, American-born educator about Israel who joined Josh on her whirlwind trip to Sydney. The pair of them wrestle with justice, Jewishness, antisemitism and how Zionism should coexist with a Palestinian state.
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| 0:00.0 | Gide, humans. |
| 0:04.2 | Welcome to the safe space for dangerous ideas. |
| 0:07.3 | One of the most dangerous and uncomfortable questions that I've been wrestling with lately, |
| 0:12.0 | and I hope you have too, is what exactly is a Zionist? |
| 0:16.5 | What is Zionism? |
| 0:18.4 | And what should the relationship between Jews and Arabs and between Israel and the Arab world be? |
| 0:25.9 | Is a Zionist somebody who believes that Jews should be able to parachute onto other people's land, |
| 0:31.5 | boot them out and then occupy them militarily forever, or put an embargo on them so that they have to live in squalid open-air |
| 0:38.3 | refugee camps in perpetuity? Or is a Zionist, someone who believes that just as Arabs have |
| 0:44.9 | lots and lots of different states, there should be one state in the world for the most |
| 0:49.2 | persecuted ethnic minority in history, whatever that looks like. Those two questions have been increasingly |
| 0:56.6 | difficult to disentangle over the past couple of years. And so I'm working through this as much as |
| 1:02.3 | anyone is. You will notice that I've gotten myself into all kinds of trouble from both sides, |
| 1:07.9 | as I try to grope my way towards an understanding of what is just here and what |
| 1:12.1 | is reasonable as well as just. Charlotte Korchak is an educator of Jewish and Israeli history. She goes |
| 1:18.7 | around the world trying to explain to people Zionism as she sees it through the Jerusalem |
| 1:23.7 | Education Institute. And you may have noticed a viral video that went around of Charlotte at Auschwitz, at the |
| 1:31.7 | death camp, where she was displaying an Israeli flag and was accosted by other attendees |
| 1:38.1 | who thought that that was in bad taste. |
| 1:40.2 | Have a listen. |
| 1:40.9 | You're not doing this in front of a bunch of Jews outside of Ashland. |
| 1:43.3 | Walk away. |
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