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Everyone's Talkin' Money

What Is a Roth Conversion — And How Can You Do It Wrong?

Everyone's Talkin' Money

Shari Rash

Self-improvement, Business, Health & Fitness, Mental Health, Education

4.2648 Ratings

🗓️ 27 May 2026

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

Roth conversions sound smart. Tax-free growth, tax-free withdrawals later, more flexibility in retirement — what’s not to like? Well… the tax bill today. That part. In this episode, Shari Rash, founder of GWA Wealth, breaks down what a Roth conversion actually is, how it works, and why “tax-free later” does not mean “free today.” A Roth conversion can be a powerful planning tool, but it can also backfire if you convert too much, do it in the wrong year, ignore the pro-rata rule, forget about Medicare premiums or other income-based thresholds, or assume you can undo it later. Shari explains the difference between a Roth contribution, a Roth conversion, and a backdoor Roth, why the conversion amount usually gets added to your taxable income for the year, and why a large pre-tax retirement balance usually means you need a better plan — not a bigger conversion. You’ll hear: What a Roth conversion is and how it differs from a Roth contribution Why the conversion amount is not the tax bill, but may be taxable income How converting too much in one year can create a bigger tax bill than expected Why the pro-rata rule can make a backdoor Roth less clean than it sounds Why outside cash to pay the taxes matters How Medicare premiums, five-year rules, and tax brackets can affect the decision Why Roth conversions should come from a projection, not a podcast-induced burst of motivation The biggest takeaway: do not hear “Roth conversion” and think, “I should do that.” Hear “Roth conversion” and think, “This is something worth analyzing.” This episode is for educational and informational purposes only and is not individualized financial, investment, tax, legal, or accounting advice. Before making decisions about Roth conversions, retirement accounts, taxes, or investments, talk with a qualified financial professional or tax professional who understands your full situation. If you want help building a financial plan that connects your income, taxes, retirement accounts, investments, and long-term goals, visit ⁠GWA Wealth⁠ to explore your next step. Follow Everyone’s Talkin’ Money on your favorite podcast app so you never miss an episode, and keep the conversation going on Instagram @everyonestalkinmoney⁠ If you’re ready for personalized, judgment-free financial guidance, learn more about working with Shari. Shari Rash is the founder of GWA Wealth⁠⁠ a virtual advisory firm helping women make confident, values-aligned decisions with their money. Talkin’ Points → where your money gets smarter. Real talk, practical tips, zero guilt straight to your inbox. Sign up here.  Be sure to like and follow the show on your favorite podcast app! Shari Rash is a financial planner and Investment Adviser Representative of GWA Wealth, a Registered Investment Adviser. The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and should not be construed as personalized investment, tax, or legal advice. Listening to this podcast does not create an advisory relationship with Shari Rash or GWA Wealth. All investments involve risk, including the potential loss of principal. Any references to specific investments, strategies, or securities are for illustrative purposes only and are not recommendations. You should consult your own financial advisor, tax professional, or attorney regarding your individual situation before making any financial decisions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

Roths have this almost magical reputation in personal finance.

0:05.1

You get tax-free growth, tax-free withdraws, as long as you follow the rules, and no future tax bill on your money.

0:14.3

And it sounds amazing.

0:16.5

And honestly, Roth money can be incredibly powerful.

0:26.6

Thank you. honestly, Roth money can be incredibly powerful. I love talking about Roths with my clients, but here's where people get into trouble.

0:33.0

They hear tax-free later or tax-free, but somehow their brain skips over the part where you owe

0:40.6

taxes now, potentially, in order to create this Roth, this tax-free growth and withdraws.

0:49.1

So today, we're talking about Roth conversions and also backdoor Roths.

0:55.0

You hear about them a lot and I'm going to dive into what they are, why people do them,

1:02.9

when they make sense, how you can absolutely do them wrong, because a Roth conversion is not

1:10.0

just shuffling around your retirement accounts.

1:12.9

It's a taxable event. And if you do it without understanding the bigger picture, you could

1:18.9

accidentally create a bigger tax bill, trigger higher Medicare premiums, mess with financial aid

1:26.5

planning, or convert money in a year where it may make

1:30.4

no sense to do so. So Roth conversions sound really smart. Backdoor Roth sound really smart,

1:40.1

and they can be, but they are not automatically smart no matter what. A Roth conversion is a tax

1:47.6

strategy, not a trend. So the question is not, should everyone do Roth conversions? The question is,

1:55.5

does this make sense for your tax picture, your timeline, and your future income. And stay with me because

2:03.7

later in the episode, I'm going to give you the Roth conversion gut check, the questions I want

2:09.1

you to ask before you move $1 from pre-tax to Roth. Welcome back to everyone's talking money. I'm Shari Rash, founder of GWA Wealth.

2:20.3

And after almost 20 years in personal finance, working with women who are doing well on paper,

2:26.2

but still don't feel fully in control of their money, I can tell you this. Some of the most

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