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Dear young married couple, have you ever wondered what is a help meet?

I mean, we hear that refer to often that a wife is a help meet.

That's her role.

We also know that Eve was given to Adam as a help meet.

But what exactly is a help meet?

Well, today I got to sit down with Reverend Lori Wagner, and she is just a beautiful soul. I think you'll get a lot out of this episode.

She comes to the conversation with humility and also expertise. She's well studied and has written. She's an author. She's a minister, and she's the founding director of affirming faith.

She has a master of theological studies, and she's enrolled in a PhD program in interdisciplinary studies.

And she has a lot of experience when it comes to marriage.

She's going to share more of her story.

It's very sobering, but she knows what it's like to be a help meet in the most difficult

circumstances.

And then also through leadership and pursuing a call as a minister.

And her story will touch you today.

And I'm grateful that I got to learn from her.

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