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The Unspeakeasy With Meghan Daum

What Is A Good Death?: Sandra Martin On The Social History Of The Right To Die

The Unspeakeasy With Meghan Daum

Meghan Daum

Society & Culture

4.7855 Ratings

🗓️ 5 June 2023

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

Sandra Martin is an award-winning journalist, literary critic, former obituary writer, and the author of A Good Death: Making the Most of Our Final Choices. In that book, which she describes as a social history of the right-to-die movement, Sandra writes about how law, religion, medicine, and social norms can affect people's bodily autonomy and end-of-life choices in unpredictable and sometimes devastating ways; she also tells some amazing stories. In this conversation, she talks with Meghan about why it's so difficult to maintain autonomy over our deaths, even if we think we're making proper arrangements. She explains the difference between physician-assisted suicide and euthanasia, what these practices meant in past centuries versus what they mean today, and why we're kidding ourselves if we think we'll keep a stash of heavy drugs on hand for when the time comes. She also talks about Canada's Medical Assistant In Dying Act, better known as MAID. When it was first passed in 2016, MAID allowed adults to obtain medically-assisted death if they were experiencing terrible suffering and their death was "reasonably foreseeable." Since then, MAID has been expanded in ways that have led to some alarming news coverage, including allegations that it's being offered to people simply because they were chronically ill and couldn't afford their own care. While Sandra is not an expert on MAID, her familiarity with right-to-die laws in Canada allows her to put those reports in some context and she offers her perspective on how far is too far and, moreover, how overreach by activists could threaten the whole movement. 

 

In the bonus portion for paying subscribers, Sandra stays overtime to talk about how she feels about being the age that she is and what she wants (or thinks she wants) for her own death.

 

Guest Bio:

Sandra Martin, an award-winning long-form journalist, literary critic, and public policy specialist, is a contributing writer for The Globe and Mail and the author of several books including A Good Death: Making the Most of Our Final Choices, a social history of the right to die movement in Canada and around the world. Winner of the B.C. National Non-Fiction Award and a finalist for both the Dafoe Prize and the Donner Prize in Public Policy, A Good Death was named one of the best books of 2016 by The Globe and Mail, the CBC and several other media outlets. Find her at http://www.sandramartinwrites.com.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to the unspeakable podcast. I'm your host, Megan Down. Before I introduce my guest,

0:08.4

Sandra Martin, I want to tell you an exciting thing about the upcoming unspeakeasy retreat in

0:14.4

Austin, Texas. Our guest speaker will be, are you ready? Bridget Fetasy. Bridget Fetasy, superstar, podcaster,

0:25.0

YouTuber, writer, leading thought criminal. She's going to be with us in person talking about

0:31.8

whatever we want to talk about and whatever she wants to talk about in Austin. That's June 24th and 25th. It's a weekend,

0:40.8

daytime only retreat. As always, space is limited and it's filling up really fast, but there are

0:46.2

some spots left. So if you are interested, go to the unspeakeezy.com and inquire. And I'll tell you

0:53.5

all about it. Okay. my guest is Sandra Martin.

0:57.9

She is an award-winning long-form journalist. She's literary critic, public policy specialist,

1:03.4

and a contributing writer for the Globe and Mail in Canada. She's the author of several books,

1:08.9

including one about a subject that I'd like to cover a lot more on this podcast, and that is the decisions we make, if we're lucky enough to be able to make them, at the end of life. In her book, A Good Death, making the most of our final choices, Sandra lays out what she describes as a social history of the right to die movement.

1:30.1

And while her focus is on Canada, the issue she examines and the story she tells will be of interest

1:36.1

to just about anyone, anywhere, who's thought about what will happen at the end of their lives

1:41.1

or have gone through this kind of thing with a loved one.

1:45.9

I think Sandra's perspective is especially relevant because of all the recent attention paid

1:50.6

to Canada's Medical Assistance in Dying Act, better known as Maid.

1:56.3

I'll say a few things about Maid.

1:58.4

It was first passed in 2016 as a parliamentary bill that allowed adults

2:03.7

to obtain medically assisted death if they had a grievous and irremediable medical condition,

2:10.7

and if their death was reasonably foreseeable. So in other words, those diagnosed with an incurable

2:17.1

illness, disease, or disability

2:18.8

that caused unbearable mental or physical suffering could qualify for medical assistance in dying,

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