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What if Globalisation Fails? with Ben Chu

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4.21.1K Ratings

🗓️ 10 July 2025

⏱️ 40 minutes

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What happens if globalisation fails? Can nations truly stand alone in an interconnected world? Is the new race for national self-sufficiency a path to real security, or a dangerous illusion? In this episode, we’re joined by economics journalist Ben Chu, author of Exile Economics: What Happens if Globalisation Fails, to unpack the shifting tides of the global economy. He speaks to Conor Boyle, Head of Programming at Intelligence Squared about what’s driving this great unravelling—and what it could cost us. --- If you'd like to become a Member and get access to all our full conversations, plus all of our Members-only content, just visit intelligencesquared.com/membership to find out more. For £4.99 per month you'll also receive: - Full-length and ad-free Intelligence Squared episodes, wherever you get your podcasts - Bonus Intelligence Squared podcasts, curated feeds and members exclusive series - 15% discount on livestreams and in-person tickets for all Intelligence Squared events  ...  Or Subscribe on Apple for £4.99: - Full-length and ad-free Intelligence Squared podcasts - Bonus Intelligence Squared podcasts, curated feeds and members exclusive series … Already a subscriber? Thank you for supporting our mission to foster honest debate and compelling conversations! Visit intelligencesquared.com to explore all your benefits including ad-free podcasts, exclusive bonus content and early access. … Subscribe to our newsletter here to hear about our latest events, discounts and much more. https://www.intelligencesquared.com/newsletter-signup/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1:00.4

Hello and welcome to Intelligence Squared where Great Minds meet. I'm head of programming,

1:05.1

Connor Boyle. What happens if globalization fails? Can nations truly stand alone in an interconnected

1:10.8

world?

1:11.6

And is the new race for self-sufficiency, a path to real security or a dangerous illusion?

1:16.6

In this episode, we're joined by economics journalist Ben Chu, author of Exile Economics,

1:21.6

What Happens If Globalization Fails to unpack the shifting tides of the global economy?

1:26.6

As countries retreat from cooperation and turn inward, Ben explores what's driving this great unravelling and what it could cost us in the long term.

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