Hello and welcome to The Spectator's Americano podcast, a series of discussions about American politics and the Trump presidency in 2017.

I'm Freddie Gray and I'm Deputy Editor of The Spectator.

Today we're going to be talking about the protest movement against Donald Trump, and I'm joined by John Neffel,

who is a Rolling Stone journalist, who has been covering the protests quite closely.

John, we've only had less than a month of the Trump presidency, and already we've seen

a lot of protesting. Here in Britain, we get the impression that the next four years of America

might just be lots and lots of protests. Is that fair, or get the impression that the next four years of America might just

be lots and lots of protests. Is that fair? Or do you not even think we're going to have four years

of Donald Trump? Yeah. Well, what's interesting is that I've found colleagues and activists who I

speak with, colleagues in the press and activists, have gotten used to saying things like four years

or however long this lasts. There seems to be a sort of just general skepticism about whether

the Trump administration really has four years in it. And so I think that sometimes people

say that partly in jest. And sometimes I think when

people say that, they mean that the Trump inner circle kind of feels like a mafioso ring. And in some

ways, it feels like it's a criminal enterprise just waiting for a shoe to drop. And that may be

premature to say that, but it sort of has that

conspiratorial feel to it. And as far as the turnout, one of the phrases that people have

started using lately, which I think actually captures the mood pretty well, is protest is the new

brunch, right? So people are getting used to dedicating time on Sunday or Saturday

to going out to rallies, going to local organizations that otherwise they would have sat around

having Cuevos, Rancheros, and mimoses with friends. And now a lot of those friends,

they're still with the same people, but instead they're at a rally or a protest. And so I think for the immediate future,

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