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A Bit of Optimism

What Happens When You’re Naive Enough to Try with KIND Founder Daniel Lubetzky

A Bit of Optimism

The Optimism Company from Simon Sinek

Education, Careers, Self-improvement, Business

4.82.3K Ratings

🗓️ 31 March 2026

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

Naiveté is one of the most powerful assets an entrepreneur can have. In fact, I think some of the most meaningful things in the world only exist because someone was naive enough to try. Daniel Lubetzky would know. In a crowded category and cutthroat industry, Daniel dared to build a company called KIND. He started with a simple question: how can we help people snack healthily without compromising their values? KIND Bars are now a household name and Daniel achieved his dream of building the culture behind the brand. A culture rooted in trust, long-term thinking, and social good. Essentially, a place where people loved to work and a company that thrived as a result. In this conversation, Daniel and I explore why entrepreneurship is less about ego and more about problem-solving, why brands are promises that must be kept, and how thinking in the short-term erodes trust in both business and society. Daniel’s story doesn’t stop at the wildly successful business he founded. The son of a Holocaust survivor, he grew up with a deep sense of responsibility to prevent hatred and division from taking root again. That calling first led him to create PeaceWorks, bringing people together through commerce, and now fuels his work with the Builders Movement. Builders is an effort to channel curiosity, compassion, and courage to reduce polarization and rebuild trust… together. Some important context, because this episode touches on peace building and polarization, is that it was recorded back in December 2025 and before recent developments in the Middle East. But this episode is about how kindness can be a competitive advantage, how optimism can be strategic, and how each of us has a role to play in building a future that’s more connected than divided. This… is A Bit of Optimism. --------------------------- If you want to learn more about the Daniel’s work with The Builders Movement, head to: https://buildersmovement.org Check out the products and work being done at KIND: https://www.kindsnacks.com ---------------------------

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0:00.0

Where did like the drive for peace come from?

0:03.6

And and what are you doing to make that naive vision real?

0:10.5

It started when I mean that as a compliment, right?

0:14.1

Yeah, right.

0:15.2

But you know, no, no, I mean that.

0:16.3

I know. I know.

0:17.2

Which is the ones who succeed are the ones who are naive enough to believe that it's possible.

0:21.3

I know. I was teasing you.

0:22.7

We often think of being naive as a weakness, something we want to avoid. But what if naivete was actually a superpower?

0:31.9

Naivete describes the willingness to believe that things can be better, even when the world around us suggests otherwise.

0:38.2

I firmly believe that naivete is essential for anyone who wants to build something meaningful in

0:42.5

the world. My guest today is Daniel Lubetsky, and he proves this. Many people know him as the

0:48.6

founder of kind, the maker of kind bars, but what really drives Daniel isn't just building a successful

0:53.9

company, it's his belief that we

0:55.9

can leave the world better than we found it. And he's just naive enough to believe it will happen,

1:02.1

which I love. Daniel has since stepped away from kind and is now working on his next naive project,

1:09.4

the builder's movement, an effort to channel curiosity and

1:12.8

compassion into solutions that can reduce polarization in our media, our societies, and indeed

1:18.1

in the world. The conversation you're about to hear was actually recorded in December,

1:23.3

before the recent developments in the Middle East. And because this episode touches on peace building and polarization,

1:29.0

I wanted to share that context before you listen.

1:32.5

I also reached back out to Daniel and asked what's been on his mind since we recorded,

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