What Happens When You’re Naive Enough to Try with KIND Founder Daniel Lubetzky
A Bit of Optimism
The Optimism Company from Simon Sinek
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🗓️ 31 March 2026
⏱️ 55 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Where did like the drive for peace come from? |
| 0:03.6 | And and what are you doing to make that naive vision real? |
| 0:10.5 | It started when I mean that as a compliment, right? |
| 0:14.1 | Yeah, right. |
| 0:15.2 | But you know, no, no, I mean that. |
| 0:16.3 | I know. I know. |
| 0:17.2 | Which is the ones who succeed are the ones who are naive enough to believe that it's possible. |
| 0:21.3 | I know. I was teasing you. |
| 0:22.7 | We often think of being naive as a weakness, something we want to avoid. But what if naivete was actually a superpower? |
| 0:31.9 | Naivete describes the willingness to believe that things can be better, even when the world around us suggests otherwise. |
| 0:38.2 | I firmly believe that naivete is essential for anyone who wants to build something meaningful in |
| 0:42.5 | the world. My guest today is Daniel Lubetsky, and he proves this. Many people know him as the |
| 0:48.6 | founder of kind, the maker of kind bars, but what really drives Daniel isn't just building a successful |
| 0:53.9 | company, it's his belief that we |
| 0:55.9 | can leave the world better than we found it. And he's just naive enough to believe it will happen, |
| 1:02.1 | which I love. Daniel has since stepped away from kind and is now working on his next naive project, |
| 1:09.4 | the builder's movement, an effort to channel curiosity and |
| 1:12.8 | compassion into solutions that can reduce polarization in our media, our societies, and indeed |
| 1:18.1 | in the world. The conversation you're about to hear was actually recorded in December, |
| 1:23.3 | before the recent developments in the Middle East. And because this episode touches on peace building and polarization, |
| 1:29.0 | I wanted to share that context before you listen. |
| 1:32.5 | I also reached back out to Daniel and asked what's been on his mind since we recorded, |
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