What happens when two nuclear powers go to war?

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🗓️ 7 May 2025

⏱️ 35 minutes

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For nearly a decade, Harvey Weinstein's former assistant, Zelda Perkins, has been exposing the way NDAs are abused by people of power, and trying to bring about change in how they are used in the workplace. Later in today’s episode we ask her why employers are still using NDAs to gag employees and why the government STILL hasn’t banned this practice.

But we start on the border of India and Pakistan where shots have been fired between two nuclear powers. We’re going back to the start with Tim Marshall. Why do these countries hate each other so much? And how did it all begin? We have the explainer for those trying to make sense of the big geopolitical row in the subcontinent.

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0:00.0	The Newsagents podcast is brought to you by HSBC UK, opening up a world of opportunity.
0:08.1	This is a global player original podcast.
0:32.1	This is a global antagonistic border.
0:35.5	And the reason India has struck Pakistan now, killing some 26 people
0:39.7	injuring double that, is in retaliation for a terrorist attack by Pakistani militia in Kashmir.
0:47.1	If none of this is making sense, we're going to explain to you the history of conflict between
0:53.1	these two countries in this particular
0:55.4	region to take you back to the start.
0:58.0	There are many contested areas of the world between countries who don't like each other very
1:03.6	much. The difference between this conflict though in India and Pakistan is that both have nuclear weapons and the risk of escalation is one
1:15.4	that unites world leaders in concern. So how worried should we be? Welcome to the newsagents.
1:25.3	The newsagents. It's John. It's Emily. And as we suggested in the introduction, we're going to make this really easy for you. If you're coming to the India-Pakistan, Kashmir story for the first time, I'm wondering what it's all about. We can tell you about missiles and we can tell you about injuries and we can tell you about hits, but we actually thought it would be more useful to try and give you a little bit of historical context to this, where all the antagonism comes from and where potentially it's heading. So maybe it helps if we start on April the 22nd, which was the day of that attack on
2:02.0	India-controlled Kashmir by militants. We think that they were Pakistani militants and 26 people
2:09.9	were killed. And at the time, India vowed retribution, vindication for this attack and those attacks by India on Pakistan, particularly on the
2:21.7	region of Kashmir, came last night. And those attacks took place. It was predictable that there
2:29.2	was going to be a response from India because they were militants seeking Kashmiri independence, but they
2:36.4	are also seen to be linked to the Pakistan government and therefore the government in Islamabad
2:43.1	is being held responsible by the government in Delhi for what unfolded in that province
2:50.0	where 26 Indian tourists were killed in Pahagam. And so you got
2:57.1	the reaction from the Indian side last night. On the Pakistani side, they claim to have shot down
3:04.9	five Indian jets. If that is true, and the if is doing a lot of
3:11.6	heavy lifting in that sentence, if that is true, then it's likely that there's going to be
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