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The Michael Steele Podcast

What Happens When Trump Takes Office? (with Glenn Kirschner)

The Michael Steele Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, Government, History, News

4.83.1K Ratings

🗓️ 16 January 2025

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

Michael Steele speaks with Glenn Kirschner about the ceasefire between Israel and Gaza (and how MAGA is already taking credit for it), Special Counsel Jack Smith's report on Trump, Merrick Garland's failings and what we can all expect on Inauguration Day.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Because Merrick Garland failed us.

0:03.2

He wasn't the man for the moment.

0:04.5

We needed an aggressive fighter, somebody who fought hard but fought fair.

0:09.7

And he decided the optics of going hard after Republican criminals was too much for him to take.

0:28.5

Hey, folks, welcome to the Michael Steel podcast.

0:32.1

I am very happy to welcome to the podcast,

0:35.0

or back to the podcast, my buddy Glenn Kirsner,

0:40.2

former federal prosecutor's been doing that job for 30 years in which he's amassed an enormous amount of trial experience as a prosecutor.

0:47.2

He served in the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia for 24 of those 30 years.

0:53.8

He is an MSNBC, on-air legal analysts,

0:58.6

also does that good work for NBC News. And as the host of the video podcast, Justice Matters,

1:06.1

with Glenn Kersner, where he breaks down today's complex legal issues, and he does it so well in ways

1:13.2

that are understandable. And he's going to do a little bit of that for us as we look at the unwinding

1:19.2

of Trump's legal woes. So neatly packaged, weren't they? Just so neatly packaged. We'll get into that. Jack Smith's hanging up his cloak, his Super Cape, which was a little tattered and torn. Thanks too. Merrick Garland. Okay, we'll talk about that too with my buddy Glenn Kershner coming up right here

1:48.0

on the Michael Steel podcast right after this. Hey, everybody, welcome to the Michael Steel podcast.

1:54.0

I'm sitting here having a little fun with my buddy, Glenn Kershner. It's always a treat. I have

1:59.1

mad respect for this brother. I have over the last few years

2:03.2

watched him just break down some of the more complex legal aspects of Trump's crazy and the

2:13.6

nature and changes in the court system and so forth. And it's just a real, always a pleasure

2:20.6

to get him on the podcast to have a conversation, giving your background in law enforcement and

2:27.8

law and all of that. So welcome, Glenn. It's always a treatment. Michael, thank you for the kind

2:33.0

introduction. And, you know, given that we're living in the legal upside down, I wonder how much value I can add these days because I talk about how the rule of law is supposed to work from the platform of somebody for 30 years as a federal prosecutor, enforcing the law and being loyal to the Constitution, I do not recognize today's

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