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Hit follow wherever you get your podcast and you'll be the first to find out. Hey everyone, welcome back to On the Men. This is a podcast where we look back at life's toughest moments to figure out how to move forward. Today's guest is someone who had it all, which we're doing the intro in front of you. So you're going to forgive me.

You're going to forgive me.

Something very insecure.

I was like, oh God, I've got to do your intro,

thank you very much, thank you very much.

Right, today's guest is someone who's had it all.

The money, the job, he was hooked, hooked on success, on winning.

We'll be discussing Gary's addiction to success, status and power. And what happens when you walk away from everything, the world says should make you happy. Right. Gary, welcome to On the End.

Thank you for having me. It's very good to meet you, mate. Like I said, I've been very much

absorbed in your content for a few weeks now. And it's a fucking powerful message that you have, mate. More conversations

like this coming up in season three. Watch wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you. Yeah,

work hard at it. Yeah. It's a lot of work. Looking at it, right? So, like, I kind of think,

like, I'm recovering drug addicts, right? So I think of every, I seem to look at everything and see addiction.

And when I look at you, right, you were kind of, you're making millions of what you call a broken system.

Right.

When did that start to feel like a problem to you?

So I was a trade, a full-time trader from 2008 to 2014. So started super young.

Yeah. How were you then in 2008? 2008. I was 21. Right. And I was intern in 2006, 2007. And before that, I was at LSC, London School of Economics, which is like a dead fancy university. Right. So I'm new to this. Right. So can you explain exactly what a trader is? All right. So I'll talk about professional traders because there's a lot of people doing sort of trading at home now, which I think is very dangerous and potentially addictive. Right. But a trader is, all right, so most simply, right, you want to get your foreign exchange money. You know, you're going to Spain, you've got to buy euros. You go to Thomas Cook and they're going to give you your euros, right? Well, if Thomas Cook want euros, they come to me. Or if, like, Sony want Euros or if Panasonic want Euros. Or if a massive hedge fund wants Euros. We are the guys that go out and get it. We take the risk on it.

So we buy things because we think people are going to want them.

We are the guys who really anything on like a massive scale, buying currencies, getting a loan.

You want a loan, you're going to go to your bank, right?

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