This is in conversation from Apple News.

I'm Shemitavassu.

Today, can Maha and public health meet in the middle?

American's faith in health institutions is eroding.

Polling from earlier this year shows that trust in agencies like the FDA, CDC, and even local health departments, has dropped.

The decline that began during the COVID-19 pandemic and has continued ever since.

We can have the tools, we can have the expertise, but it doesn't matter if people don't trust it.

That's Maggie Bartlett. She's a virologist and public health researcher at Johns Hopkins.

Last year, she and Brenda Adikari, a longtime journalist, along with two other hosts, launched a podcast called Why Should I Trust You?

The show brings on guests who feel deeply disillusioned with the health establishment,

members of the Make America Healthy Again or Maha movement, alongside public health experts and officials.

The idea is for them to talk about how trust can be rebuilt and what it'll take to strengthen America's health care system.

Here's Brenda.

In order to leave one echo chamber or like kind of cross-pollinate between echo chambers, you really have to talk to people from diverse perspectives and not just talk, but like, give them a seat at the table

and make them feel absolutely heard.

Since launching in January, the podcast has tackled everything from the measles outbreak

to the pharmaceutical industry to nutrition, along with many of the sweeping changes to

health policy under President Trump

and Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. But this isn't a debate show. They keep the temperature

turned down by leaving a lot of space for everyone to share their perspective. In one recent episode,

they convened a dozen doctors, scientists, parents, and activists. I'm the Dean of the Yale School of Public Health.

I was working in New York City in March 2020 when COVID came in to our emergency rooms.

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