Welcome to the Patrick Madrid show, Mary. Thanks for calling. Hi, Patrick. I'm so thankful that you're

there that I can get an answer as a grandparent. The unborn baby who's been aborted, where does

that sole go? Well, we know this much. If it's born of a Catholic person, does that make a difference?

No, in the sense of like the eternal destiny of the child, no.

Because there are a few issues here.

Let's start with this one.

We know with certitude, and the church teaches this, that these children will not be punished

because they did not do anything wrong.

They were conceived as we all are in the condition of original sin, which means that they,

like we all were before baptism, do not have sanctifying grace in their souls. And sanctifying

grace is necessary to see God face to face. If I could suddenly transport you to the surface

of the moon, Mary, the very first thing that would happen is you would die

because you're not equipped naturally to live in that environment. So baptism and the graces

that are given in baptism, it animates the soul. It regenerates the soul, the soul, the Bible says,

and so the soul now has the ability to live in the presence of God, which it could not do if it did not

have sanctifying grace. So because baptism is necessary as the norm in Jesus commanded and taught

that baptism is necessary for salvation, that much we know is true, and that's certainly binding

on all of us, but it's not binding on God. And so the church also

says that we should, on the one hand, knowing that these children will not experience any kind

of punishment because they didn't commit any actual sins. Nonetheless, their condition of original

sin deprives them of sanctifying grace. So the church says we should hope and trust in God's mercy and love that those children,

in a way that's known to God and not to us, that God will grant them, he will bestow on them,

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