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What Happened to Hacker Culture? [Threat Vector]

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4.61K Ratings

🗓️ 13 October 2025

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

While the N2K team is observing Indigenous Peoples' Day, we thought you'd enjoy this episode of the Threat Vector podcast from our N2K Cyberwire network partner, Palo Alto Networks. New episodes of Threat Vector release each Thursday. We hope you will explore their catalog and subscribe to the show. Join David Moulton, Senior Director of Thought Leadership for Unit 42, as he sits down with Kyle Wilhoit,Technical Director of Threat Research at Unit 42, for an intimate conversation about the evolution of hacker culture and cybersecurity. From picking up 2600: The Hacker Quarterly magazines at Barnes & Noble and building beige boxes to leading threat research at Palo Alto Networks, Kyle shares his personal journey into the security community. This conversation explores how AI and automation are lowering barriers for attackers, the professionalization of cybersecurity, and what's been lost and gained in the industry's maturation. Kyle offers practical advice for newcomers who don't fit the traditional mold, emphasizing the importance of curiosity, soft skills, and intellectual humility.  Kyle Wilhoit is a seasoned cybersecurity researcher, with more than 15 years of experience studying cybercrime and nation-state threats. He's a frequent speaker at global conferences like Black Hat, FIRST, and SecTor, and has authored two industry-respected books: Hacking Exposed Industrial Control Systems and Operationalizing Threat Intelligence. As a long-standing member of the Black Hat US Review Board and an adjunct instructor, Kyle is deeply involved in shaping both cutting-edge research and the next generation of cybersecurity professionals. Connect with Kyle on LinkedIn Previous appearances on Threat Vector:  Inside DeepSeek’s Security Flaws (Mar 31, 2025) https://www.paloaltonetworks.com/resources/podcasts/threat-vector-inside-deepseeks-security-flaws War Room Best Practices (Nov 07, 2024)https://www.paloaltonetworks.com/resources/podcasts/threat-vector-war-room-best-practices  Cybersecurity in the AI Era: Insights from Unit 42's Kyle Wilhoit, Director of Threat Research (Jan 11, 2024)https://www.paloaltonetworks.com/resources/podcasts/threat-vector-cybersecurity-in-the-ai-era-insights-from-unit-42s-kyle-wilhoit-director-of-threat-research  Learn more about Unit 42's threat research at https://unit42.paloaltonetworks.com/.  Related episodes: For more conversations about AI's impact on cybersecurity, career development in security, and insights from Unit 42 researchers, explore past episodes at https://www.paloaltonetworks.com/podcasts/threat-vector. Join the conversation on our social media channels: Website: http://www.paloaltonetworks.com/ Threat Research: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://unit42.paloaltonetworks.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠ Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/LifeatPaloAltoNetworks/⁠⁠⁠⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/palo-alto-networks/ YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠@paloaltonetworks Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/PaloAltoNtwks⁠⁠⁠⁠ About Threat Vector Threat Vector, Palo Alto Networks podcast, is your premier destination for security thought leadership. Join us as we explore pressing cybersecurity threats, robust protection strategies, and the latest industry trends. The podcast features in-depth discussions with industry leaders, Palo Alto Networks experts, and customers, providing crucial insights for security decision-makers. Whether you're looking to stay ahead of the curve with innovative solutions or understand the evolving cybersecurity landscape, Threat Vector equips you with the knowledge needed to safeguard your organization. Palo Alto Networks Palo Alto Networks enables your team to prevent successful cyberattacks with an automated approach that delivers consistent security across the cloud, network, and mobile. ⁠http://paloaltonetworks.com⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

You're listening to the Cyberwire Network, powered by N2K.

0:10.4

Welcome to Threat Vector, the Palo Alto Networks podcast where we discuss pressing cybersecurity threats and resilience and uncover insights into the latest industry trends.

0:21.8

I'm your host, David Moulton, Senior Director of Thought Leadership for Unit 42.

0:26.4

Curious. Constantly curious. That is, to me, what is the foundation of a quote-unquote hacker,

0:35.0

whatever you want to call it, and that can be an attacker or a hacker.

0:38.0

But at the end of the day, they're going to be curious to some degree, right?

0:41.5

And I think being endlessly curious is something that can only benefit you within constraint.

0:47.5

But being curious. Today's episode is a little different.

0:59.0

Today's episode is a little different.

1:14.2

Instead of diving straight into the latest threat intelligence or attack techniques,

1:18.6

we're pulling back the curtain to get to know the person behind the research.

1:22.8

I'm speaking with Kyle Wilhoit, director of threat research here at Unit 42,

1:27.0

and this is his story.

1:28.9

Kyle's journey from a curious kid picking up hacker magazines at Barnes & Noble to leading some of the world's most sophisticated threat research is one that reflects the evolution of our entire industry.

1:41.3

He's been a Black Hat board review member for over seven years, mentors the next

1:45.9

generation of cybersecurity professionals, and has that rare combination of technical depth

1:51.7

and genuine curiosity that makes him so effective at what he does. Today we're going to talk

1:58.1

about Kyle's personal path into cybersecurity, how hacker culture has evolved in what it really takes to stay curious and innovative in a field that never stops changing.

2:13.3

Kyle, when we last spoke on Threat Factor, you gave us a grounded, no fud, if in case you don't know what that means, fear, uncertainty, and doubt, view of how AI is and isn't transforming the threat landscape.

2:28.4

It was back on episode 13.

2:31.3

Today's topic is a little bit more personal. Let's rewind. Do you remember the first time you felt

2:37.1

like you belonged in the hacker community or the security community? And take me back and tell me

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