And we are live right now on the conversations that matter podcast with

pastors Sean McGowan and Zachary Garris both PCA pastors. They explained what

happened last year at the Presbyterian Church in America's annual meeting

They call their it was it what's it call again general conference was a that's that's the Mormon thing. What do you guys call yours? General

Assembly. I was close. So you're going to talk a little bit today for those who are

listening who are in the PCA about what's going on.

I know Sean you're also, I think it's worth mentioning a trustee at Covenant College.

And then, Zach, you actually run the publishing company that I published my last book through so people can check both of you out.

If you go to Twitter, it's at Zachary Garris and at Irish Presby at Irish Presby.

If you want to check out Sean's stuff. Anywhere else you want to send people?

That's good.

All right.

Well, let's jump into it then. I appreciate both of you guys. We've been we've known each other I guess for years. I've actually met you now in person, Zach, and we spent some time together. Sean that still needs to happen at some point. We need to connect face to face. But you guys were both together yourselves last week, I guess, during the Southern Baptist Convention, I guess the PCA met. It's like every convention met that week,

or every denomination.

And so you met together in, was it in Tennessee?

Memphis, yeah.

Yeah.

Okay, so what happened?

Yeah, well, I guess I'll jump out first.

You know, it was a, I will say this, at least from my perspective. It was less contentious than probably the last two

You know not as much tension in the room

It sir it was the 50th anniversary of the Presbyterian Church in America.

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