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Hello and welcome to Coffee How Shots, the spectator's daily politics podcast.

I'm Max Jeffery and I'm joined by Isabel Oakshot and Fraser Nelson.

Matt Hancock was in front of the Covid inquiry today.

Isabel, you said that in the whole year that you voted Matt Hancock,

you didn't recall him ever making the key argument that he made today.

What did you make of his performance?

Well, it was really extraordinary actually to watch Matt give evidence today and I know

that despite that very assured exterior, it is something he's really been worrying about.

You know, when I was working with him on his book, there was absolutely an eye to the

future inquiry and him wanting to make his case on a number of fronts before today's historic session.

But in all the time that we worked together, he didn't put at the heart of his argument

what he made out today and fundamental to his case today is that the single key failure

in pandemic planning by the UK government was to think that pandemics can't be prevented and

stopped or stopped from reaching these shores. So in other words, the whole of his argument today,

the whole of the thrust of it and he kept returning to it, almost to the irritation of the

leading barrister, the KC, was that basically more lockdown, quicker lockdown, harsher lockdown

would have actually prevented or could have prevented the disaster that followed.

I mean, here like Clip Now of where Matt Hancock says that he wants the inquiry to conclude

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