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Think from KERA

What elitists and populists have in common

Think from KERA

KERA

Kera, 071003, Think, Society & Culture, Krysboyd

4.7911 Ratings

🗓️ 13 August 2025

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

 How often do political parties actually trust voters to know what’s best for them?  Curtis Bram, a political scientist at The University of Texas at Dallas, joins host Krys Boyd to discuss the two sides of modern governing: elitism and populism, and questions whose job it is to actually protect democracy —voters or politicians? His book is “Elitism versus Populism: Experiments on the Dual Threat to American Democracy.” 

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0:00.0

Midterm elections are next year, and historically, they often result in the president's party losing some seats in Congress.

0:16.9

Republican lawmakers in Texas want to change the boundaries around voting districts in hopes of protecting the GOP House majority,

0:23.9

and Democratic lawmakers in some blue states are now talking through plans to take similar retaliatory action to benefit their party.

0:31.0

All this raises an interesting question.

0:33.4

Who is more likely to support fair political competition, citizens or the politicians they elect?

0:39.7

From KERA in Dallas, this is think. I'm Chris Boyd.

0:44.0

Populists worry elites in charge will overlook what matters to the majority.

0:48.2

Elitists worry, many members of the public, don't understand the issues they're voting on.

0:52.2

And pretty much everybody assumes their

0:54.6

ideological or partisan adversaries would be willing to subvert democratic principles to give their

0:59.5

side an advantage. But you know what they say about assumptions? My guest is a political scientist

1:05.4

who devised some clever studies to test how much daylight can be found between the principles

1:10.2

of populists and idealists.

1:12.5

Curtis Bram is a political scientist at the University of Texas at Dallas and author of the book

1:17.5

Elidism versus Populism, Experiments on the Dual Threat to American Democracy.

1:22.7

Curtis, welcome to think.

1:23.9

Hey, Chris. Thanks for having me.

1:25.4

All right, first things first, what do we need to know about the difference between elitists and populists, elitism and populism?

1:32.3

You know, I wrote this book because I kept seeing all of these headlines, which were saying,

1:38.3

like, hey, you know, some politician is attacking our institutions, is not committed to democracy.

1:43.3

And I felt like a lot of those

1:45.0

headlines looked like partisan spin. And so I wanted to get some data to figure out what's real.

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