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I am part of infinity, the spiritual journey of Albert Einstein.

There he is.

And by the way, I have him here as our friend.

I hauled this thing down from home, so I'm going to show it to you.

Here it is the actual statue.

This is the modeled on the statue in Washington, D.C.

It's right there close to the Smithsonian's.

Anyway, I guess I can have it there, sort of. He'll just join us here

on our spiritual journey. Here, and nice to see you. Congratulations on the book. It's a good book.

I read the whole thing. I mean, how could you not be interested in whatever Einstein has to say?

But before we get into all that, you talk about your own personal journey a little bit

at the beginning of the book. Break it down for us. What's your story? Yeah. Well, first, thanks for so much

for having me, Michael. So glad you read the whole book. That's amazing. Yeah, I talk about my little,

my personal story a little bit. It's a long journey that came to this book. I

mean, it started off I was really interested in dreams. When I was quite young, my dad was

writing down dreams and I got into sort of that side of the mind, subconscious, young, and so on.

Got into meditation very early in life, went and spent quite a while in India and

Nepal living with Tibetan monks trying to learn the Tibetan language, not very successfully,

I'll admit. And eventually, you know, did the academic training you mentioned,

neuroscience, PhD, studying the brain basis of meditation and then med school

and I started working on a book about that side of things kind of the the science of meditation and

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