From the New York Times, I'm Natalie Kittrow-F.

This is the Daily.

In the midst of a cascade of violent acts against political figures,

it happened in Minnesota, the murder of a state representative and her husband,

and what's being called a politically motivated attack.

This morning, a man is charged in connection with an arson at the Pennsylvania governor's

residence while Governor Shapiro and his family slept inside.

Charlie Kirk has been shot.

The latest from the White House correspondent's center,

the Secret Service has a person in custody after shots were fired.

And in the wake of what appears to be the third assassination attempt against President Trump.

Times reports the suspected shooter's 1,000-word manifesto,

says Trump administration figures were his targets.

The question that keeps coming up is how do we get here?

And how much worse could it really get?

So last week, I called University of Chicago professor Robert Pape.

For decades, he's been one of the country's leading experts on political violence,

and he's advised every White House from 2001 to 2024.

We talked about why violence from the right and the left is on the rise,

and what it would take to stop it.

It's Monday, May 4th.

Professor Pape, we started thinking about doing a conversation like this after a series of what felt like extraordinary instances of political violence.

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