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The LRB Podcast

What Don Quixote Knew

The LRB Podcast

London Review of Books

Society & Culture

4.4 • 579 Ratings

🗓️ 31 December 2025

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

In The Man Behind the Curtain, a bonus Close Readings series for 2026, Tom McCarthy and Thomas Jones examine great novels in terms of the systems and infrastructures at work in them. For their first episode, they turn to the book that invented the modern novel. Don Quixote, the ingenious man from La Mancha, is thought to be mad by everyone he meets because he believes he’s living in a book. But from a certain point of view that makes the hero of Cervantes’ novel the only character who has any idea what’s really going on. Tom and Tom discuss the machinery – narrative, theoretical, economic, psychological and literal (those windmills) – which underpins Cervantes’ masterpiece. This is a bonus episode from the Close Readings series. To listen to all our other Close Readings series, sign up: Directly in Apple Podcasts: ⁠⁠⁠https://lrb.me/applecrna⁠⁠⁠ In other podcast apps: ⁠⁠⁠https://lrb.me/closereadingsna⁠⁠ Further reading in the LRB: Karl Miller on ‘Don Quixote’: ⁠https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v08/n03/karl-miller/andante-capriccioso⁠ Michael Wood: Crazy Don ⁠https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v17/n15/michael-wood/crazy-don⁠ Gabriel Josipovici on Cervantes’ life: ⁠https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v01/n05/gabriel-josipovici/the-hard-life-and-poor-best-of-cervantes⁠ Robin Chapman: Cervantics ⁠https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v08/n16/robin-chapman/cervantics⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the first episode of The Man Behind the Curtain, a new close reading series for

0:05.8

26 from the London Review of Books. I'm Thomas Jones, a senior editor at the paper and the main

0:11.4

presenter of the LRB podcast, which is where you may be hearing this episode. And as you may

0:17.1

already be aware, close readings is another of our podcasts, which you can find by searching for those two words, close readings, wherever you listen to podcasts.

0:24.9

For 499 a month, you can hear longstanding contributors to the LRB such as Emily Wilson, Judith

0:29.8

Butler, James Wood, Marina Warner discuss everything from ancient Greek and Roman literature

0:34.7

to revolutionary writing of the 20th century, English literature's

0:37.8

medieval beginnings to conversations in philosophy, satire and the fantastic. In 2026, close readings

0:44.9

will be looking at writing about nature in crisis with me and Christ and Peter Goddrey Smith,

0:50.6

realism and a novel with James Wood and guests, narrative poetry with Mark Ford and

0:55.1

Seamus Perry, and a cultural history of London with Rosemary Hill and guests. But for this

1:00.8

series, I'm delighted to be joined by the writer, artist, twice booker shortlisted novelist and

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contributor to the LRB since 2007, Tom McCarthy. Hello Tom. Hello, nice to be here.

1:11.6

I am sorry we're both called Tom, but shouldn't be too confusing, I hope.

1:16.4

So the Man Behind the Curtain is an extra series, which will be running in parallel as a kind of meta-series,

1:22.6

I guess you could say, to the usual weekly episodes of the Close Reading's podcast.

1:26.4

And we'll be popping up or dropping in

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every couple of months, sometimes as a bonus podcast, sometimes as a live event, and we hope

1:34.0

you'll join us and join in when we do. Future episodes will be on Frankenstein, Middle

1:39.0

March, Ulysses, The Invisible Man, Gravity's Rainbow. This first episode is about Don Quixote by Miguel de Cervantes.

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But before we turn to the ingenious gentleman of La Mancha, the night of the sad countenance,

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Tom, why the man behind the curtain? Well, I was thinking of the scene in the Wizard of Oz,

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