From the New York Times, this is the interview.

I'm Lulu Garcia Navarro.

Love him or loathe him, Tucker Carlson has been at the center of our political conversation

and conservative media for a decade now.

Few other media figures are more closely identified with the Trump era.

His massively popular Fox show started just after the 2016 election, and despite being

fired in 2023, Carlson remained a pivotal figure, launching his own network and boosting

Trump into a second term on his podcast and in campaign rallies.

Then, Trump decided to attack Iran alongside Israel, a decision that Carlson is completely opposed to.

He now says he regrets supporting the president and has become a vocal and influential critic of the administration.

He also blames Israel for making Trump, quote, a slave by, as he characterizes it,

pushing the president into war.

Those comments and others have led to charges against Carlson of anti-Semitism.

To understand this break with the president and more, I traveled to Maine to sit down with him.

We had a wide-ranging conversation about his views on the war, his interview with the white

nationalist Nick Fuentes, why he thinks Trump has betrayed his base, and whether he thinks

the president is the Antichrist, something he's been musing about on his show. But hanging

above our whole two-part discussion was one central question.

Is Carlson's anti-Trump conversion permanent?

And does it portend a wider cracking of the MAGA base?

Here's my interview with Tucker Carlson.

Thank you. with Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson.

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