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This may have been a surprising turn of events.

The Trump administration took a similar stance as the Biden administration in a closely

watched abortion pill case this week. On Monday, Trump's Justice Department asked a federal judge to

dismiss a lawsuit that would have drastically restricted access to Miffa Pristone. It's been nearly

three years since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade

in their Dobbs decision, June 24th, 2022, if you're keeping score. And the anti-abortion movement

still continues as evidenced by that case. This, despite near total bans in 12 states,

and gestational limits of six weeks in four other states, and they're still

going after the abortion pill. But our next guest argues that overturning Roe was never the

ultimate goal of the anti-abortion movement. Rather, it has, quote, always been a fetal personhood

movement. So joining us now to talk about fetal personhood, as well as the

news on Mitha Pristone, is Mary Ziegler, UC Davis Law Professor. She's the author of Rowe,

the history of a national obsession, and the new book, Personhood, the New Civil War Over

Reproduction. Welcome back to WNYC, Professor Ziegler. Thank you for joining us.

Oh, thanks for having me. Before we get to your book, I want to ask you about this latest news.

I see you told the New York Times that you find it surprising that Trump seemed to align with the

Biden administration on the Miff of Pristone case. How come? Well, I mean, I think it's surprising

in the sense that there have been hints dropped by members of the Trump administration that

there are going to be limits on Mipha Pristone. So asking for the lawsuit to be dismissed was a bit

of a surprise. I think at the same time, we shouldn't read too much into it because what was in this

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