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Notes from America with Kai Wright

What Does “Color-Blind” Really Mean?

Notes from America with Kai Wright

WNYC Studios

News Commentary, Politics, History, News

4.41.5K Ratings

🗓️ 10 July 2023

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

Affirmative action is gone. Ibram X. Kendi tells us the history leading up to this moment and what could be next.

Historian and best-selling author Ibram X. Kendi helps Kai understand the Supreme Court's ruling that ended race-based affirmative action in college admissions.

Plus, Kai wants to know Dr. Kendi's personal reaction to the Court's ruling. He is devastated for a number of reasons.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Do you think that the goals of affirmative action are feasible without affirmative action?

0:07.0

No.

0:08.0

I went to college as a result of affirmative action, then.

0:11.0

I can't imagine right now how that's going to work, seeing how the society is structured.

0:15.0

Claire's Thomas would not be where he was, is today if it was not for affirmative action.

0:20.0

There's no color blind in America.

0:22.0

Why now?

0:23.0

Why did they take up that case?

0:24.0

I think sometimes when you are popular and you're hanging with rich people,

0:28.0

you don't recognize that racism exists.

0:31.0

Yeah, I think there's going to be a significant rise in white students

0:35.0

and a decline in number of blackness finding in other community students.

0:38.0

Which is terrible, and I think students will always find a university to go to

0:43.0

but they will probably come down to tier, which will affect job prospects

0:47.0

which will, you know, have repercussions over the years.

0:58.0

It's Notes from America, I'm Kai Wright.

1:12.0

Welcome to the show.

1:15.0

We are going to have a conversation this week about the Supreme Court's ruling

1:19.0

ending race-based affirmative action, about the ideas articulated in the

1:24.0

justice's opinions because for me, the logic behind the ruling is as consequential

1:29.0

as the fact of it.

1:31.0

Ideas matter and not just as a legal concern.

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