What do the Pentagon leaks tell us?
Ukrainecast
BBC
4.7 • 1K Ratings
🗓️ 11 April 2023
⏱️ 32 minutes
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Summary
Could the leak of secret Pentagon documents affect the course of the war in Ukraine? Defence expert Sam de Bendern gives her analysis of the US national security breach and we hear about another Russian dissident facing 25 years in prison for criticising the war.
The BBC Ukraine correspondent James Waterhouse has been in Kharkiv to see the de-mining efforts as so-called butterfly bombs continue to injure civilians.
And we have an aural treat in the shape of YouTube project: How Does Ukraine Sound? Its producer Yevhen Synelnykov has been collecting unique sounds from cities across Ukraine, such as the sea, factories and churches, and making music from them.
Today’s episode is presented by Victoria Derbyshire and Vitaly Shevchenko. The producers were Arsenii Sokolov, Clare Williamson and Luke Radcliff. The technical producer was Philip Bull. The series producer is Fiona Leach. The assistant editor is Alison Gee and the editor is Sam Bonham. Email Ukrainecast@bbc.co.uk with your questions and comments. You can also send us a message or voice note via WhatsApp, Signal or Telegram to +44 330 1239480
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| 0:00.0 | BBC sounds, music, radio, podcasts. |
| 0:04.9 | Hello, it's 412 days since Russia began its invasion of Ukraine. |
| 0:09.2 | In the last 24 hours an opponent of the Kremlin facing 25 years in jail, the charges |
| 0:20.0 | of treason and discrediting the Russian military made his last statement to the court. |
| 0:26.8 | Vladimir Karamurza, a 41-year-old journalist and politician, denied the charges against |
| 0:32.1 | him and refused to ask for an acquittal. |
| 0:41.3 | He told the court that he already knew the verdict and that he, and I quote, knew it |
| 0:47.8 | a year ago when I saw people in black uniforms and black masks running off to my car. |
| 0:54.6 | Such, he said, is the price for speaking up in Russia today. |
| 0:59.4 | His try, he said, went beyond those of the Soviet dissidents in the 1960s and 70s and |
| 1:05.4 | belonged instead to the Stalinism of the 1930s with its talk of enemies of the state. |
| 1:12.7 | Obviously, the trial was held behind closed doors, but his words were made available by |
| 1:17.4 | his wife and lawyer, and they struck a really defiant tone. |
| 1:22.7 | They thought they were worth hearing. |
| 1:25.4 | Here are those words as read by one of our producers. |
| 1:28.4 | I know that the day will come when the darkness of our country will dissipate. |
| 1:33.0 | When black will be called black and white will be called white. |
| 1:36.5 | When at their official level it will be recognized that two times two is still four. |
| 1:41.6 | When a war will be called a war and a usurper, a usurper. |
| 1:46.0 | And when those who kindled and unleashed this war, rather than those who tried to stop |
| 1:50.5 | it will be recognized as criminals. |
| 1:54.3 | This day will come as inevitably as spring follows, even the coldest winter. |
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