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Hello and welcome to the Americano podcast, a series of discussions about American politics, power and prejudices.

This year, 2024, is an election year in America, a presidential election year. And so we will be doing two podcasts a week, rather than our usual one,

because we want to and because we know you can't get enough Americano in your life.

I'm delighted to be joined by Jacob Heilbrun, who is a friend of the show,

the most frequent guest of Americano over the years.

He is, of course, editor of the national interest.

And we are going to be talking about David Cameron or Lord Cameron, as we should probably call him now,

who has been in Washington imploring Republicans. David Cameron or Lord Cameron, as we should probably call him now,

who has been in Washington imploring Republicans to keep providing billions of aid to Ukraine.

He wrote an article in The Hill newspaper, which caused a bit of anger among Republicans because he was suggesting that those who

don't want to keep supporting Ukraine are like appeasers to Hitler. And the suggestion of this

enraged some Republicans, including Marjorie Taylor Green, who said he can kiss my ass, I think was the phrase

she used. Jacob, what's your impression of how David Cameron went down in Washington, D.C.?

It depends on where you stand, of course, on Ukraine for the never-trumpers and the neoconservatives and liberal hawks

this was a divine sanction for the maga right it was an intolerable affront a foreign politician

and uh a and foreign policy official

and meshing himself in American politics.

Do Republicans have a view of David Cameron?

Do they remember his premiership?

Do you think is he a popular or liked figure in America?

I don't think he's very well known.

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