The Athletic.

Hello and welcome to the Tifo Football Podcast.

I'm John Mackenzie and I'm joined as I always am by my good pal and my good producer Mike Zimmerman

Mike Hading. I'm doing good it's getting a little cold here in the in the US

but trying to stay warm. Yep it's cold over here too but you know that what better weather to sit down and

listen to a conversation about football than then cold weather so we've got a really

good topic for people to get their teeth into today. In fact, not so much a topic as a

guest because we had Dean Holden, a former childhood manager coming on to talk to us, mainly

focusing on what does a manager do when they're between jobs. Mike, you listen to that conversation what did you make of it?

I mean it's fantastic how open and honest Dean was. I think both me and you going into the

the interview wasn't sure how much he was going to share and and he shared everything but the thing that really stood out to me was him talking about kind of this unwritten rule in the coaching fraternity where if a coach is out of a job they're welcomed into other

training sessions just to observe and kind of float around pick up other ideas and I thought that was really really cool because all

all these coaches have been out of jobs before and they know what that feeling is like

so I think it's it was fascinating to see how accepting all these other coaches are to

managers who are out of jobs.

Yeah and I think the reality is as Dean was saying throughout the interview you know he got

five games at the beginning of this season before he was fired.

It's an incredible amount of pressure to live under, right?

And the sort of you're only as good as your next five games.

That's a huge amount of pressure to operate under and I think all of those coaches know what that

pressure is like.

They understand the realities of football and how easy it can be for you to lose your job.

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