Hey, what's up? It's Gustav Ariano, and you're listening to The Times, Daily News from the LA Times.

It's Tuesday, July 26, 2022.

For the next couple of weeks, we're going to be featuring an episode of our sister podcast, The Envelope, because it's Emmy season.

So the more we could talk about Hollywood by the LA Times, the better.

Today, we hear from Jillian Anderson. I've been a fan of her since I saw her on screen and the X-Files and also her cameo as the X-Files character, The Simpsons.

Now she's playing the role of Eleanor Roosevelt in the new show The First Lady.

Jillian's here to talk about how she channeled the former first lady, her time on the X-Files,

the Netflix showed sex education, and so much more.

Yvonne, when you think of cool, who do you think of?

Oh, man.

I feel like I want to be edgy and say Che Diaz from the Sex and the City

revival, but I won't do that to us. I'm just going to say the cast of euphoria. What about you,

Mark? Well, when I think of cool, I always think of people who've just been like out there doing

their own thing. And today's guest

has been going her own way for decades. From the X-Files, which shot her to fame in the 90s,

to her recent work on the Showtime series The First Lady, Jillian Anderson has seemed like such a

free, independent person who won't let anyone dictate what her career or her life should look like.

The First Lady, which was

directed by Suzanne Beer, is structured so it moves between the lives of Eleanor Roosevelt,

played by Jillian, alongside Betty Ford, played by Michelle Pfeiffer, and Michelle Obama, played by

Viola Davis. You see how the role of the First Lady has evolved over the years.

Oh, I see. I'm good enough to get him here, but not good enough to keep going.

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