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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, the Spectator's Daily Politics Podcast. I'm Cindy You, and I'm joined by Katie Balls and Jones Forsy. So it's June 21st in doubt, after all. The latest news is from various government advisors and scientists saying that perhaps a delay over a few weeks would be a good idea. Katie, what's going on here? Because a few weeks ago, we were hearing

that there wasn't so much worry about the Indian variant. Yes, it comes and goes. And I think

we're now at a point where there's increased concern. We have a situation where the Prime Minister

was busy getting married

as a bank holiday weekend, but scientists meanwhile quite busy getting on the airwaves, warning

about June 21st. And I think it's one of those things where actually the voices that have been

dominating in the past few days. Some are, you know, official advisors to the government,

though there are many scientific advisors. So I think you can advise the government and not be the main voice, if that makes sense.

And I think initially, as we had a member of Nerve Tag on Sunday, suggesting that we could be

in the beginning of a third wave of coronavirus in this country, and therefore it would be wise

to wait a few weeks to see the date

before pushing ahead with June 21st and then since then I think again more voices coming out today

from various organisations ultimately saying that the Indian variant is on the rise and therefore

we need to be cautious and the government needs to learn from its past mistakes in terms of moving too quickly

because if you're not careful you could end up in another lockdown.

Now, where are we?

I think that you always have to remember that the scientists are going to push harder on these things.

And meanwhile, Tory MPs are clearly saying, oh, we have to press on completely.

It's also, I think, a little bit of a

negotiation. So you have both sides asking for various things, and where the government probably

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