All right, Deborah, welcome to The Man Talk Show after lots of technical difficulty

that was completely my fault.

Although our joke for everybody listening and tuning in was it was like your classic online or just like

dating problem you know it's like it's not it's not me it's a them thing but it was definitely me

so welcome to the show thank you very much thanks for having me you're going to laugh so hard right

now because i just heard construction start so if that ends up being a thing, we can totally, but yeah, I'm really happy to be here. Thanks for having me. And I look forward to having a great conversation. Likewise, likewise. I mean, I feel like we have good rapport. We've already gone through something hilarious, aggravating, and fun. So how do you describe your work to a layperson?

So I'm an evolutionary psychologist, and it's a branch of biology. I apply the principles of

evolutionary biology to understand human cognition. So we've got a whole bunch of circuits on our shoulders. The question

is, what kind of programs, what kind of behaviors did evolution build into our kind of human

operating system? And evolutionary psychologists approach this question by thinking about past

environments, the kind of problems we had to solve

over vast amounts of time, and the design systems or the solutions to those problems that are now

part of our software, our mental apps, if you will.

What is the evolutionary? Because here's the path I want to go down.

I'm going to give you some context.

Maybe a list of some context.

A lot of the times evolutionary psychology is sort of looked at from a mating and dating

perspective.

That's where it gets a lot of the hot takes and a lot of the attention also misinterpreted

the most.

But what I'm curious to start off with is, is looking at the evolutionary

purpose of something like emotions. Because I think for most of us guys, you know, that can be a

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