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There are very, there's very few times in life where you're going to agree entirely with somebody.

The only people we tend to entirely agree with are ourselves.

So I can live with Jonah and I differing on Donald Trump and learning

a tremendous amount from this man. I mean it is is, I don't, and I don't even find that difficult.

You know, one of the points I've been arguing for years is that one of the things that defines

conservatism is a certain level of comfort with contradiction both in terms of the

contradiction between the fallen nature of human nature and that you

you can't make a perfect utopian society and with the idea that people have the right

to be wrong or to disagree. The obvious wide reading that you have done is just remarkable and I and I kept thinking boy I don't

read as fast as Jonah Goldberg does one of the truly if not the greatest thing but one of the great things of this book is

his celebration of what you call and I am I and I you're not the first to call it that but you really have popularized it in this book.

You think America and capitalism are miracles, is that correct?

I call it a miracle because we have no idea really how we were so lucky to get where we are.

You know, there's this amazing consensus among economic historians that for all of our existence on earth

you know and I one of things I do in the book is I take sort of the progressive secular

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