By the way if you didn't catch the interview this morning Ken Daniels was on with the morning show you can go listen to it. I once again there's there's no urgency

and a gym kind of got into it a little bit and it's this idea of I don't know if it's playoffs or bus really?

No actually it is like for those of us that aren't on the payroll it is.

What on God's green earth like when am I allowed to just say make the playoffs or leave?

You're not. So no, not as long as Iseman is there? No. No.

You can't because you're the bad guy after you do that. It's crazy to me.

We're already tempering expectations

for the upcoming season no you heard that too and we're not doing it as a topic

because like eight people care, but Rico I was shocked.

I was, but then I was like, you know what, I'm not because it would mean that you start the clock and you know how things around here

don't want to start the clock because you know you got a way for the core and all of that stuff

it's it's a common place.

It's a good segue.

You talk about starting the timeline.

Our three football teams.

The Lions are the only one with a clear definition of success, Super Bowl. That's it. Put them to the side. We are

under two weeks to college football and we have done next to no conversation on the field about Michigan and Michigan State.

I would like to know both from the people in this room but also you the listener.

What defines success for Michigan and Michigan State

this fall?

If you're a Wolverine, you're coming off the national title.

I don't have a good gauge on what you...

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