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Flash Forward

What Could A Better Economy Look Like?

Flash Forward

Flash Forward Presents

Science

4.81.6K Ratings

🗓️ 18 August 2021

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

Today’s episode is about a future where the economy revolves around gifts, instead of money. Guests: Ilana Strauss, a journalist and producer at National Geographic’s podcast, “Overheard.” Dr. Niels Thygesen, an associate professor at the Copenhagen Business School. Dr. James Parisot, a researcher at the University of Texas, Rio Grande Valley and author of How America Became Capitalist: Imperial Expansion and the Conquest of the West. Dr. Anna Grear, a professor of law at Cardiff University and author of The Great Awakening: New Modes of Life Amidst Capitalist Ruins. Ricardo Nuñez, the director of economic democracy at the Sustainable Economies Law Center. Dr. Sara Nelson, an economic policy fellow at the University of British Columbia. Dean Spade, an activist, professor at Seattle University School of Law, and author of Mutual Aid: Building Solidarity During This Crisis (and the Next). Dr. Hyunseok Hwang, an assistant professor of sociology at the University of Houston. Monica Byrne, a novelist, playwright, and author of The Actual Star. → → → Further reading & resources here! ← ← ← Flash Forward is hosted by, Rose Eveleth and produced by Julia Llinas Goodman. The intro music is by Asura and the outtro music is by Hussalonia. The episode art is by Matt Lubchansky. Get in touch: Twitter // Facebook // Reddit // [email protected] Support the show: Patreon // Donorbox Subscribe: iTunes // Soundcloud // Spotify Episode Sponsors: Threatened: A new podcast from Bird Note about stories from around the world about people who are taking action on behalf of our fragile ecosystems and the birds that depend on them. BetterHelp: Affordable, private online counseling. Anytime, anywhere. Flash Forward listeners: get 10% off your first month at betterhelp.com/flashforward Skillshare: Skillshare is an online learning community where millions come together to take the next step in their creative journey, with thousands of inspiring classes for creative and curious people, on topics including illustration, design, photography, video, freelancing, and more. Start with two free months of Premium Membership, and explore your creativity at Skillshare.com/flashforward. Shaker & Spoon: A subscription cocktail service that helps you learn how to make hand-crafted cocktails right at home. Get $20 off your first box at shakerandspoon.com/ffwd. Tab for a Cause: A browser extension that lets you raise money for charity while doing your thing online. Whenever you open a new tab, you’ll see a beautiful photo and a small ad. Part of that ad money goes toward a charity of your choice! Join team Advice For And From The future by signing up at tabforacause.org/flashforward. Tavour: Tavour is THE app for fans of beer, craft brews, and trying new and exciting labels. You sign up in the app and can choose the beers you’re interested in (including two new ones DAILY) adding to your own personalized crate. Use code: flashforward for $10 off after your first order of $25 or more. Purple Carrot: Purple Carrot is THE plant-based subscription meal kit that makes it easy to cook irresistible meals to fuel your body. Each week, choose from an expansive and delicious menu of dinners, lunches, breakfasts, and snacks! Get $30 off your first box by going to www.purplecarrot.com and entering code FLASH at checkout today! Purple Carrot, the easiest way to eat more plants! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to Flash Forward. I'm Rose and I am your host. Flash Forward is a show about

0:13.9

the future. Every episode we take on a specific possible or sometimes not so possible future scenario.

0:20.7

We always start with a little field trip into the future to check out what is going on,

0:24.8

what we're talking about that day, and then we teleport back to modern times today, 2021, or

0:30.4

you know, whatever year it is when you're listening to this, to talk to experts about how

0:34.2

that world that we just heard might actually go down. Got it? Great. This episode we're starting in

0:41.2

the year 2064.

1:04.8

Hello and welcome to the museum of natural and unnatural histories audio guide through our

1:10.8

latest exhibit. Money doesn't grow on trees. We're very excited to have you back in our museum

1:17.7

after the recent closures and renovations. While our doors have been closed, our expert

1:23.3

curators have been hard at work on this exhibit featuring the past, present, and future of fiduciary

1:29.7

philosophies. Please enter. The doors are nearly as heavy as they look. But they were repurposed

1:38.4

from the safe at the New York Federal Reserve Bank, which was occupied in the 2034 uprisings

1:45.1

and eventually transitioned to the housing units you might know of today. Did you know that at one

1:51.0

point in time these doors guarded about 25% of the world's gold reserves? Truly incredible.

2:00.1

Inside you'll see a taste of your journey through the exhibit. We'll be covering early economies

2:06.0

which actually don't look all that different from our own today. Then the exhibit splits into two

2:12.0

long corridors showing the dual economies that existed for the rich and poor for centuries.

2:19.2

We recommend traveling through both and paying attention to the stark differences.

2:24.9

At the end of each is a rumination on change. This room is the most upsetting and chaotic in the

2:32.0

exhibit, so please take your time to get used to it. There is beauty and joy inside, but also

2:39.7

terror and upheaval. Some of you may remember the transition from capitalism. Perhaps you were

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