Now, are all the traitors present? Let's get started, shall we? From rags to riches. I'm so sick of this. Working like a dog and being treated worse. Yorkshire to New York. Poor climbers, you and me. A life dedicated to revenge. Let's make this an occasion to remember. A woman of substance on Channel 4. Stream now. I used to have so much, oh, we can't do this because I didn't go to fashion school. I didn't go to business school. And I'm like, I'm just as smart as someone that got their MBA at Harvard. I can play in this game. Hey, everyone, you're listening to Superwomen. Today's guest, I came across when I saw her amazing collaboration and thought, oh my

God, I have to have Hart's jewelry.

She is the founder of Heart, shopheart.com.

We get into the meaning behind the soul of a brand.

We get into the dark ages of what it's like to be a mother, a founder, a wife, but also

the great it takes and how being true to yourself is

ultimately what is going to make you win. Take a listen. There's a delicate balance of letting

things go and understanding that rejection is redirection. There's a creative way to do everything.

But I feel like any legacy jewelry brand that's out there today, they're like, you don't like

silver and gold? Well, guess what? We're

going to keep making it. There is a lot of pressure for newness. It's a good way to grow. It's like one of the

levers that you can push. I just always have to go back to my filter of like soulful, timeless

jewelry. All of this magic and storytelling and meaning, I don't want it to be relegated to the fine jewelry world.

I want to be able to give that meaning to people.

I'm Rebecca Minkoff, and this is Superwomen.

Each week, inspiring women are interviewed to uncover the unexpected journeys, the challenges, and the unwavering spirit that makes them powerful.

Get ready to be motivated by stories of resilience and discover the keys to unlocking your own potential.

All right, welcome. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited to have you. We are christening my studio. That is beautiful. You should be really proud. It's gorgeous. I just want to like take a nap in here or something. I know. It's like a womb. It's like a warm, calm space. So good. So let's talk about jewelry today and your journey. We're not going to get into your backstory because guess what we discussed last night? Yeah, you can Google it. You can Google it. Let's like, let's just Google it. I was honestly so refreshed when you said that last night because I have to tell my origin story a lot and I'm like, just fucking Google it. Like, aren't you sick of hearing the same? I know I Hannah's sick of hearing the same shit. And like, I'm here to talk about things I haven't talked about before. So that's right. Yeah. So I discovered you when I saw that you did a collab with RMS and I was like, I am obsessed, like a locket with some like amazing lip colored it like I'm in and then our team's connected

and I didn't know this about you but you were in Shanghai when you thought about what became

your career so can we start there well I grew up in Charleston and then I majored in Chinese

and sociology of Vanderbilt and fast forward I studied abroad in Shanghai, fell in love with it.

It was the recession. So I moved there and I started working in fashion. I was working as a fashion

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