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class are you Garrett? In the minds of some people, a just society is one in which people of every race, creed, color, and sexual orientation

eat at a nice restaurant restaurant while people of every race, creed, color, and sexual

orientation eat out of the garbage dumpster in the back. And I suppose that's more just than a restaurant that's just filled with the fluent white people.

But as long as people are eating out of dumpsters while other people are eating out of restaurants.

You know, you better put scare quotes around your use of the word justice.

That's Garrett Kaiser on our second drive together.

Garrett Kaiser published a book of poetry a few years ago

and we drove around the Northeast Kingdom reading poetry

and talking about

class inequality and occasionally jazz.

optical jazz.

Operate jazz.

Garrett Kaiser is one of the best thinkers I know and he's written extensively on the

history of labor unions in the United States. I wanted to talk with him about what happens

when we address issues of race and gender equity,

but we ignore class inequality.

Here's Garrett Kaiser.

Since 1978, worker salaries in America have increased by about 15%.

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