Hello friends, we have something special for you this week. It's a preview of a new show from

our friends at the Boston Globe called Say More. On Say More, host Shirley Leone talks to the

doers and thinkers behind the biggest ideas and debates of our time. Like, will artificial

intelligence make humans obsolete? And giving cash to low-income families brings stability to their

lives? Is the US already in a cold war with China, politics, culture, entrepreneurship, women

shattering the glass ceiling and more? In this clip, the US-China relationship seems to grow more

contentious every day, with spying, hacking, economic warfare, and high-stakes military exercises

in the Pacific. It almost feels like we're sliding toward a cold war with China, if we're not in one

already. Few know this story better than investigative reporter David Barbosa, who spent 12 years in

China for the New York Times, witnessing China's astonishing economic expansion and growing sway in

the world. Today, David runs The Wire China, a digital news and data platform focused on China and

it ties to the global economy. Okay, here comes the preview. You can find more episodes of Say More

wherever you get your podcast. Welcome to Say More from Boston Globe Opinion. I'm Shirley Leone.

These days, there's nothing that politicians on both sides of the aisle agree on. Well,

maybe there's one thing. My administration has taken the toughest ever action to confront China's

trade abuses. We will not allow China to isolate Taiwan. I made it real clear to Xi Jinping that

we're going to compete fully with China. Here in the US, the rise of China is often seen as a threat,

a threat to our economy, a threat to our democratic values, a threat to our status as the

global superpower. And the US-China relationship seems to grow more contentious each day with

spy balloons hacking and military exercises in the Pacific. It almost feels like we're sliding

toward a cold war with China or maybe we're or in one. My guest today knows the China story inside

and out. David Barbosa spent 12 years in China as a foreign correspondent for The New York Times

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