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Hey guys, welcome to the show. Today I have a very special guest, Dr. Joseph Nicolosi Jr.

And we are going to talk about why a boy develops same-sex attraction, why a young boy develops homosexual attractions.

And this is going to be a fascinating discussion because I have been reading his father's book, Dr. Joseph

Nikolosi, Sr., called Shame and Attachment Loss.

And this book blew my mind. Everything he says in this book, I was just like,

whoa, this is exactly what my childhood was like. And I just want to say up front, ultimately,

I believe that developing homosexual attractions is ultimately a spiritual thing because of the fall, because of the corruption of sin.

So I think that's ultimately the issue.

But we can also learn a lot from just observation and look at family dynamics and see, you know, what are the

factors that that propel this forward. And so Dr. Joseph Nicholas Jr. is a licensed clinical

psychologist, author, researcher, and clinical director at the Breakthrough Clinic in Southern California.

He oversees what is likely the largest clinic in the world that specializes in helping men with unwanted

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