Hello and welcome to Mormons, Mystics, and Muleans. I'm Gabe and Bill and I are here and

I reached out to Bill Reel, I think last week or so. And yeah, Bill, I just wanted to have a discussion

because I listened to your podcast with Kara recently and you were talking about some of the things that we've,

Eldon and I have been covered covering on my podcast and thought it'd be interesting to talk

about some of them and curious as to where you're at in some of these things and how much

your kind of cosmology, my cosmology and interpretation of Mormonism's

origins overlap. Yeah, I love it. You know, Mormonism is this really interesting thing that,

you know, we spent time in. I certainly spent a ton of time in and really invested myself.

And getting the other side of it,

deconstructing the things that I have and ending up in a place where I believe what I do,

which is sort of separate for Mormonism.

I really find the other side of life.

These things that we're going to kind of talk about today are things that I've, some of them,

I've covered in depth, either in episodes or things I've read about things I've said on podcast

It's a fun space to play in and

These were things I never would have even considered looking into on on the inside of Mormonism and so I'm really thrilled to be a guest here and

To have a conversation with you. I'll let you kind of lead because there's a lot of things here that I may have very little to say. And there's a few here that I think I'll have something to add to contextually to what you're what you're saying. But I'm super excited for the conversation. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for meeting with me. There are a few of things that I was thinking about recently.

I was curious your thoughts on.

I've been listening to a bit of Midnight Mormons,

and I haven't watched all of like the back and forth.

And it's really, so I want to get your thoughts on.

It seems like there's sort of this makings for a schism within the church.

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