All right, folks, we are back.

It is Bill Reel and Gabe, and we're having a conversation continuing from the one we had a couple weeks ago.

It is the 17th of June, 2023.

We talked about a lot of things, Gabe.

I'll just kind of kind of turn the time over to you.

Maybe remind us of some of the territory that we've covered, and then let's jump into part two where we'll just keep some of these,

what I think are deeply interesting ideas around science and the psychology and what's going on in our heads and what is reality.

We'll just keep the conversation moving.

Sure.

Yeah, we talked kind of about viewing reality as kind of this fractal nature where you're,

there's this hermetic principle, like as above, so below, where you're applying these general principles to understand reality,

this idea of myths and constructs. I think, you know,

I was listening to you and Jacob Hansen's talk on morality. And I think, I mean, that's the

fundamental thing that you have to wrap your head around is that everything that we talk about,

everything that is bounded by language is a myth, it's a construct, and it's not false, but Alan Walker has talked about a myth being an image in terms of

which we try to make sense of the world.

Right.

So just having that awareness that like we're pointing at the moon, you know, it's the finger pointing out the moon, not the moon.

Science and spirituality, how those differ, how those overlap in reaching for truth, idealism and materialism, and then dreams and kind of dissociative identity disorder as this model for understanding reality

against going back to that fractal nature of the universe.

So we talked about Bernardo Castro, and I know we mentioned Donald Hoffman, but I think

that's a really relevant perspective, especially because Donald Hoffman and Bernard Archerop,

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