They were some of the most powerful men who've ever lived.

They waged war, forged peace, and altered the fates of billions of people,

and yet they were just as human, just as flawed as you and me.

They were the presidents of the United States, and they are the subjects of the history podcast

this American president. In each episode of this American president, we explore how flawed men

have managed this awesome responsibility. To listen now, go to pathanonpodcast.com or search

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The history of North America podcast is a sweeping historical saga of the United States, Canada,

and Mexico from their deep origins to our present epoch. Join me, Mark Vinet, on this exciting,

fascinating epic journey through time, focusing on the compelling, wonderful, and tragic stories of

North America's inhabitants, heroes, villains, leaders, environment, and geography. I invite you

to come along for the ride. Welcome to the History Unplugged Podcast.

The unscripted show that celebrates unsung heroes, myth busts historical lies, and rediscoveres

the forgotten stories that changed our world. I'm your host, Scott Rank.

Hi everyone. Welcome to one of those in-between episodes where I answer any question you have

about history. Today's question comes from Eric Crawford. In his is, what lesson can we learn

about nation building from the Kurds? Fascinating question. Now the Kurds, if you don't know them,

they're an ethnic group that live in Southeast Turkey, Northern Iraq, Syria. They've been there

for time immemorial. In the past ethnographers claimed that they were the descendants of the

Meads of the Meadow Persian Empire, but that's a little bit hazy, we're not really sure. Anyway,

they're one of the largest stateless ethnic groups on earth. They, as you know, suffered a fair

amount under the Saddam Hussein regime in Iraq and were frequently bombed, and they're one of the

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