Welcome to a new week on the Ask Pastor John podcast. Today we have a guest with us, but

before we talk with him, I want to open with a short excerpt from Jordan Peterson's

appearance with Kathy Newman on Channel 4 News in the UK. Here they are, Jordan Peterson

and Kathy Newman talking about gender equality in the workplace. Have a listen.

Is gender equality a myth? I don't know what you mean by the question. Men and women aren't the same

and they won't be the same. That doesn't mean they can't be treated fairly. Is gender equality

desirable? If it means equality of outcome, then almost certainly it's undesirable. That's already

been demonstrated in Scandinavia because in Scandinavia... What do you mean by that? Equalty of outcome

is undesirable. Well, men and women won't sort themselves into the same categories if you leave

them alone to do it off their own accord. Already seen that in Scandinavia. It's 20 to why

female nurses to male something like that. It might not be quite that extreme and approximately

the same male engineers to female engineers. And that's a consequence of the free choice of men

and women in the societies that have gone farther than any other societies to make gender equality

the purpose of the law. Those are inerradicable differences. You can eradicate them with tremendous

social pressure and tyranny. But if you leave men and women to make their own choices, you will

not get equal outcome. Right. So you're saying that anyone who believes in equality, whether you

call them feminists, call them whatever you want to call them, should basically give up because

it ain't going to happen. Only if they're aiming at equality of outcome. So you're saying give people

equality of opportunity. That's fine. Not only fine. It's eminently desirable for everyone,

for individuals and for society. But still women aren't going to make it. That's what you're really

saying. It depends on your measurement techniques. They're doing just fine in medicine. In fact,

they're far more female physicians than there are male physicians. There are lots of disciplines

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