What Can We Do About Abusive Chatbots? With Meetali Jain and Camille Carlton

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🗓️ 7 November 2024

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

Sewell Setzer’s mom, Megan, is suing Character.ai for the role it played in her son’s death. The outcome could force the company–and potentially the entire AI industry–to change its ways. Today on the show, one of Megan’s lawyers, Meetali Jain, breaks down how the case could lead to systemic change.

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0:00.0	Hey everyone, it's Tristan.
0:05.0	And before we get started today, I wanted to give you a heads up that this conversation
0:10.0	we're going to have has some difficult topics of suicide and sexual abuse.
0:14.0	So if that's not for you, you may want to check out of this episode.
0:18.0	Last week we had the journalist Laurie Siegel on our podcast to talk about the tragic
0:22.6	story of Seusser, who was a 14-year-old boy who took his own life after months of abuse
0:28.6	and manipulation by an AI companion from Character.AI. And Lori interviewed Sewell's mom
0:35.0	Megan about what happened. The question now is, what's next?
0:38.7	In our last episode, we mentioned that Megan has filed a major new lawsuit against Character.AI
0:43.0	in Florida, and that has the potential to force the company to change its business practices
0:47.8	and could really lead to industry-wide regulation akin to what big tobacco did for the tobacco
0:53.6	companies.
0:55.0	And that regulation could save lives.
0:57.0	So today on the show we have Matali Jane, director of the Tech Justice Law Project,
1:02.0	and Matali was the lead attorney in Megan's case against Character.A.I.
1:06.0	And she can speak to the complicated legal questions around the case and how it could lead to meaningful change. Joining her is also Camille Carlton, who is Chti's policy director and who's been consulting
1:15.7	on the case alongside.
1:17.8	Matali and Camille, welcome to your invited attention.
1:20.6	Thanks, Tristan. It's a pleasure to be here.
1:23.0	Thanks for having us.
1:24.8	So, Matali, the world was heartbroken to hear about Sewell's story last month.
1:29.7	How did you first hear about this story?
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