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The Sporkful

What Can McDonald’s Tell Us About Black America?

The Sporkful

SiriusXM Podcasts

Arts

4.63.8K Ratings

🗓️ 29 September 2025

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

Growing up as a Black kid in Chicago, Dr. Marcia Chatelain says she learned more about Black history from McDonald’s than from her fancy prep school. Now, she’s a professor of Africana studies at the University of Pennsylvania. In her Pulitzer Prize-winning book, Franchise: The Golden Arches in Black America, Dr. Chatelain explores the role that McDonald’s has played in Black communities since its founding in the 1940s.

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0:00.0

Sirius XM Podcasts.

0:10.0

All right, kids, we're going to be arriving at lunch soon.

0:17.1

I want to tell you something exciting about what we're going to eat.

0:19.7

We are going to a restaurant in a mansion.

0:26.5

I'm in the car with Janie and the kids, and this mansion restaurant we're going to is in New Hyde Park, New York, just outside New York City.

0:33.3

It's a 19th century historical landmark.

0:36.2

What do you imagine a restaurant and a mansion would be like?

0:39.3

Like a humongous restaurant that's super fancy and has super yummy food.

0:44.5

Golden tables and chairs with white tablecloths and red carpets on the floor.

0:48.8

Yeah, what kind of food do you think it has?

0:51.4

I want Caesar salad.

0:52.4

They probably have Caesar salad with gold Caesar dressing.

0:56.8

So how are you feeling now, knowing that you're about to go into a mansion for the first time in your lives?

1:02.7

Oh, excited.

1:04.3

But I feel like there's a catch.

1:07.5

Or something you're not telling us about it.

1:13.8

This is the Sporkful. It's not for foodies, it's for eaters. I'm Dan Pashman. Each week on our show,

1:19.4

we obsess about food to learn more about people. McDonald's, you've probably heard of it. It's

1:25.0

everywhere. In fact, it's so omnipresent that when you start a story at McDonald's, you can end up just about anywhere. And today we have two stories about the fast food giant. The first one is just a quick nugget. Then we'll move on to something meatier. So, given that setup, you may have figured out that the restaurant in a mansion, the one Becky imagines will have white tablecloths and gold furniture,

1:45.7

is, in fact, a...

1:48.0

McDonald's! Woo-hoo!

1:52.0

Well, look at that. Here, let's get out.

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