you need the grit to push past the times where you get stuck on a piece of code or a challenge

that you just can't figure out, get better the next day. Hi and welcome to Cyber reasons Malicious Life B-Sides. I'm Ren Levy. Sports is not something that you usually here mentioned when people talk about cyber security. I mean we talk a lot about

fishing, dropping a payload and brute force attacks, but it's fishing with a pH

instead of an F the payloads are measured in kilobytes and not kilograms.

And let's face it, most cyber criminals are so pale and scrawny.

Brute is not usually the first word that comes to mind when you see their pictures.

But in this episode we're throwing you a curveball so to speak.

Chris Cochran and Ron Eddings are two cyber security professionals who co-founded

Hacker Valley Media. A multimedia platform they created as a way to quote,

explore the human condition to inspire peak performance in cyber security.

Nate Nelson, our senior producer, spoke with Chris and Ron about how ideas usually associated with sports such as flow and mental

resilience can help cyber professionals reach their own version of peak performance. So what can we learn from sports

psychologists and chess grandmasters? Listen and find out. Enjoy the interview. You've both been doing hard core security for what a dozen years now.

I bet you could tell me a thousand things about, you know, detection response,

thread analysis, yada, but here today we're going to be talking about chess,

martial arts, Simone Biles, why?

We're going to be talking about that because we start Simone Biles, why?

We're going to be talking about that because we started

Hacker Valley Studio, which is our flagship show,

and we wanted to get the learnings inside

and outside of cybersecurity because we believe that cybersecurity practitioners

are mental athletes with no off season.

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