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The Joy of Why

What Can Birdsong Teach Us About Human Language?

The Joy of Why

Steven Strogatz, Janna Levin and Quanta Magazine

Science, Life Sciences

4.9577 Ratings

🗓️ 21 November 2024

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

It’s fair to say that enjoyment of a podcast would be severely limited without the human capacity to create and understand speech. That capacity has often been cited as a defining characteristic of our species, and one that sets us apart in the long history of life on Earth. Yet we know that other species communicate in complex ways. Studies of the neurological foundations of language suggest that birdsong, or communication among bats or elephants, originates with brain structures similar to our own. So why do some species vocalize while others don’t? 

In this episode, Erich Jarvis, who studies behavior and neurogenetics at the Rockefeller University, chats with Janna Levin about the surprising connections between human speech, birdsong and dance.

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0:00.0

All animals exhibit some form of communication, from the primitive hiss of a lizard to the complex gestures natural to chimps or the songs shared by whales.

0:19.9

But human language does seem exceptional, a vast and discrete cognitive leap.

0:25.6

Yet recent research is finding surprising neurological connections between our expressive speech

0:31.6

and the types of communication innate to other animals, giving us new ideas about the biological

0:36.6

and developmental origins

0:38.7

of language.

0:39.7

I'm Janelle Levin, and this is The Joy of Why, a podcast from Quantum Magazine, where I take

0:46.1

turns at the mic with my co-host, Steve Strogatz, exploring the biggest questions in math

0:51.7

and science today.

0:53.4

In this episode, we speak with neuroscientist

0:55.7

Eric Jarvis about the evolution of language and the search for answers in unexpected places,

1:01.9

like the Songs of Birds. Eric is a professor at the Rockefeller University and a Howard Hughes

1:08.3

Medical Institute investigator. At Rockefeller, he directs the field research

1:13.3

center of ethology and ecology. He also directs the Neurogenetics Lab of Language and co-directs

1:20.3

the vertebrate genome lab, where he studies song learning birds and other species to gain insight

1:26.2

into the mechanisms underlying language and vocal learning.

1:30.5

Eric, we're so glad to have you here with us today.

1:32.9

Well, thank you very much, and thank you for that wonderful introduction.

1:35.8

Yes, we have the pleasure of actually being in person today, which is nice.

1:40.1

So I want to start with what we're actually doing here, which is using language and what our audience is doing, which is listening to words.

1:47.2

I guess the first question is, is language built in biologically, even genetically?

1:52.6

And also, is it uniquely human?

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