What black markets can teach us about the economy
Think from KERA
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🗓️ 2 June 2026
⏱️ 46 minutes
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To really understand the nuts and bolts of economics, look to the black market. Alvin E. Roth is Craig and Susan McCaw Professor of Economics at Stanford University and the George Gund Professor of Economics and Business Administration Emeritus at Harvard University. He was awarded the Nobel Prize in Economics in 2012. He joins host Krys Boyd to discuss his work on organ donation which led him to study what he called “repugnant transactions” like sex and drugs and why he feels banning them completely doesn’t always have the effect we think it does. His book is “Moral Economics: From Prostitution to Organ Sales, What Controversial Transactions Reveal About How Markets Work.”
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| 0:00.0 | The moral dilemmas of the market economy go beyond environmental damage and inequality. |
| 0:15.9 | In some cases, all parties to a transaction agree. |
| 0:18.9 | They want to do the deal, and that deal has no direct |
| 0:21.9 | effect on anybody who's not involved. And yet there are people who think their disapproval |
| 0:27.0 | of someone else's business should be grounds for banning that activity. Think selling sex or |
| 0:32.6 | drugs or selling organs for transplantation. From KERA in Dallas, this is think. I'm Chris Boyd. My guest became |
| 0:41.2 | fascinated by what he calls repugnant transactions, deals that some people want to engage in, |
| 0:46.9 | and others find morally objectionable when he was working at a better way to do kidney donations |
| 0:51.8 | so that fewer people have to wait for a suitable organ. |
| 0:55.8 | Alvin E. Roth is the Craig and Susan McCaw Professor of Economics at Stanford University |
| 1:00.7 | and the George Gunn Professor of Economics and Business Administration Emeritus at Harvard. |
| 1:06.2 | He was awarded the Nobel Prize in Economics in 2012 and his past president of the American Economic Association. |
| 1:13.1 | His new book is called Moral Economics, from prostitution to organ sales, what controversial |
| 1:18.3 | transactions reveal about how markets work. Alvin, welcome to think. Thank you. You stress here, |
| 1:25.5 | repugnant transactions are not the ones people want banned because they |
| 1:29.5 | cause obvious harms, right? |
| 1:31.4 | These are things people object to because they seem wrong even if nobody is harmed. |
| 1:36.8 | Well, I think that's part of the controversy is sometimes that people who object to them |
| 1:42.2 | think that someone is harmed, but the harms aren't easily measurable. |
| 1:45.2 | And these things we find objectionable are not necessarily the same in every culture, right? |
| 1:51.7 | So the U.S. is the world's leading exporter of human plasma. Explain why. |
| 1:58.0 | Well, in the U.S., we allow people to be paid for plasma, but in many parts of the world |
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