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The Good Fight

What Binds Us Together

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.7964 Ratings

🗓️ 26 June 2021

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

George Packer is one of the nation’s most eloquent writers and most perceptive observers. In his books, from The Unwinding to Our Man, he has chronicled the disintegration of America’s social fabric and the polarization of its politics. In his latest book, Last Best Hope: America in Crisis and Renewal, Packer argues that the country is now being torn apart by four competing narratives: Real America, Smart America, Just America, and Free America. In this week's conversation, Yascha Mounk and George Packer discuss the nature of historical progress, ponder the long-term impact of the Trump presidency, and debate whether a rebirth of civic patriotism can help unite the country. This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: podcast@persuasion.community  Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by John T. Williams and Rebecca Rashid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

We interrupt programming to bring you this breaking news.

0:05.8

Joan, prolific diamond thief will be released on Sunday.

0:09.7

People are advised to go home, lock the doors, and tune in to I-V1.

0:15.0

Joan is known to use disguises and has many aliases.

0:19.0

She may appear as a mother, lover, liar, or a thief.

0:24.4

Joan, start Sunday at nine on IT1 and ITX.

0:31.6

In the suburbs, which were the hotly contested part of the country this time around,

0:36.0

the phenomenon of white suburbanites, that is to say those with a college degree

0:41.0

and a job in six figures or a professional career are moving pretty rapidly

0:46.2

into the Democratic Party and certainly 50 years ago they were Republicans that was the

0:50.2

base of the Republican Party so I I think education, which is a form of

0:54.8

culture, is the fundamental divide. There are all sorts of other ways in which we are

1:00.4

divided up racially, regionally, and philosophically.

1:04.0

But I think if you want to figure out how an American is going to vote,

1:08.0

the best single way to know it is by whether or not they have a college education.

1:13.0

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

1:20.0

It is exactly three months until the elections in Germany.

1:27.0

And these aren't just any elections. They are the first time in many years that Angela Merkel will no longer be on the ballot.

1:39.1

After leading the country since the 2000s, she is stepping down as Chancellor of Germany.

1:48.3

I can sense among my friends I'd say out of Germany a lot of concern about the immediate future of the country

1:57.8

a lot of concern about the fact that one of the last moderate, decent leaders is leaving the scene and that Germany could soon experience the same kind of turmoil as the United States had for the last four years

2:15.1

under Donald Trump that Italy has had for much of its history.

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