And then, of course, there are the dancing videos of Maduro that everybody said actually triggered Trump.

Trump personalizes these things.

It only really works for him if he personalizes it.

I need an enemy, and the enemy is not an abstraction.

It's a person. In this case, it was Maduro.

Remember, they offered him all kinds of stuff.

You know, we'll set you up anywhere you want.

You know, a luxurious retirement.

And he said, completely rejected that and then danced in a mocking fashion.

It pierces Trump directly when you mock him.

Michael.

Joanna.

So we're back in the studio.

This is our first in-person podcast.

We've got so much to discuss.

It feels like we've been away forever.

This was a long holiday. Well, a lot happened in the holiday, too. My four-year-old kept saying,

I want to go back to school. Really? Yeah. Well, but that seems unlikely because Mr. Swanky Pants,

you and your wife, have a very nice piece about you in the New York Times today.

So what a lovely home you have.

And talking about how Victoria...

Particularly about my wife. I'm the bit player in this.

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